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From: Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
To: Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>,
	linuxppc-dev <Linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: USB support on mpc5200 broken
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:15:04 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48E24278.4010306@genesi-usa.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080929034329.GB8694@yookeroo.seuss>


David Gibson wrote:
> 
> This, of course, is exactly why I *don't* recommend embedded platforms
> move to including the device tree in the flashed firmware.  Keeping
> the device tree in the bootwrapper means that it *is* updated with the
> kernel and we don't have to mess around with as much backwards
> compatibility junk.

Pardon my language, but this is such bullshit.

This isn't "including a device tree in flashed firmware", this is
"having a real Open Firmware". We don't embed anything in there, it's
procedurally generated on each boot.

Our whole problem here is that we have a device tree which was fixed
for production before the device tree specification was nailed down
for the MPC5200B, and it's still in flux. We can't be expected to
walk lock-step with a 3 month kernel development cycle and we certainly
do not appreciate sidelining real firmware in favor of static device
trees which need to be compiled *per board*.

All the FDT does is move a lot of extra hardcoded values out of the
kernel and into a just-as-annoying extra file you need to be wary of
keeping up to date since the format and specification changes so much.

We never had this much whining about Apple's device tree, people just
implemented the workarounds..

-- 
Matt Sealey <matt@genesi-usa.com>
Genesi, Manager, Developer Relations

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-30 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-24 21:51 USB support on mpc5200 broken Jon Smirl
2008-09-25  1:09 ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-25  1:50   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-09-25  2:40     ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29  1:30     ` Matt Sealey
2008-09-29  3:43       ` David Gibson
2008-09-29 14:14         ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 14:22           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-29 14:28             ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 15:07               ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-29 20:18           ` Scott Wood
2008-09-29 21:04             ` Jon Smirl
2008-09-29 22:02               ` Grant Likely
2008-09-30 15:20           ` Matt Sealey
2008-10-01  3:31             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-10-01  9:46               ` Carsten Schlote
2008-10-01 10:36                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-10-06 21:06               ` Matt Sealey
2008-09-29 15:18         ` Sven Luther
2008-09-29 17:05           ` Peter Korsgaard
2008-09-30  1:12           ` David Gibson
2008-09-30  1:24             ` Raquel and Bill
2008-09-30 15:15         ` Matt Sealey [this message]
2008-11-03 15:41   ` Grant Likely
2008-11-03 16:21     ` Jon Smirl

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