From: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
To: Andrey Mirkin <major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Louis Rilling
<Louis.Rilling-aw0BnHfMbSpBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: [PATCH 0/9] OpenVZ kernel based checkpointing/restart
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:03:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225386215.12673.280.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810300902.47067.major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:02 +0400, Andrey Mirkin wrote:
> Anyway we should ask everyone what they think about user- and kernel- based
> process creation.
> Dave, Serge, Cedric, Daniel, Louis what do you think about that?
My worry is where a single sys_restart() plus in-kernel process creation
takes us.
In practice, what do we do? Do we single-thread the entire restore
process? Or, do we do in-kernel process creation and have multiple
kernel threads trying to read out of different points in the checkpoint
file, trying to restore all their own states in parallel? Does that
mean that we can't in practice restore from a fd like a pipe or a
network socket?
In the same way, if we *do* create the processes in userspace, how do we
do _that_? Do we just fork() and sleep() until the kernel comes along
and blows our state away? How does the kernel process doing the
restoring tell userspace how many things to fork? How do we match these
new userspace processes up with the ones coming out of the checkpoint
process?
To me, it's just way too early to talk about this stuff. Both
approaches have their issues, and I'm yet to see the differences
manifested in code so I can really sink my teeth into them
-- Dave
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andrey Mirkin <major@openvz.org>
Cc: Oren Laadan <orenl@cs.columbia.edu>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>,
Daniel Lezcano <dlezcano@fr.ibm.com>,
Louis Rilling <Louis.Rilling@kerlabs.com>,
containers@lists.linux-foundation.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Devel] Re: [PATCH 0/9] OpenVZ kernel based checkpointing/restart
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:03:35 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225386215.12673.280.camel@nimitz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200810300902.47067.major@openvz.org>
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:02 +0400, Andrey Mirkin wrote:
> Anyway we should ask everyone what they think about user- and kernel- based
> process creation.
> Dave, Serge, Cedric, Daniel, Louis what do you think about that?
My worry is where a single sys_restart() plus in-kernel process creation
takes us.
In practice, what do we do? Do we single-thread the entire restore
process? Or, do we do in-kernel process creation and have multiple
kernel threads trying to read out of different points in the checkpoint
file, trying to restore all their own states in parallel? Does that
mean that we can't in practice restore from a fd like a pipe or a
network socket?
In the same way, if we *do* create the processes in userspace, how do we
do _that_? Do we just fork() and sleep() until the kernel comes along
and blows our state away? How does the kernel process doing the
restoring tell userspace how many things to fork? How do we match these
new userspace processes up with the ones coming out of the checkpoint
process?
To me, it's just way too early to talk about this stuff. Both
approaches have their issues, and I'm yet to see the differences
manifested in code so I can really sink my teeth into them
-- Dave
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-10-30 17:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 138+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-09-03 10:57 [PATCH 0/9] OpenVZ kernel based checkpointing/restart Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/9] Introduce trivial sys_checkpoint and sys_restore system calls Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 2/9] Make checkpoint/restart functionality modular Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 3/9] Introduce context structure needed during checkpointing/restart Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 4/9] Introduce container dump function Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-5-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 5/9] Introduce function to dump process Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-6-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 6/9] Introduce functions to dump mm Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-7-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 7/9] Introduce function for restarting a container Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-8-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 8/9] Introduce functions to restart a process Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-9-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 9/9] Introduce functions to restore mm Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:32 ` [PATCH 8/9] Introduce functions to restart a process Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:32 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <20080903143248.GU14473-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-13 17:34 ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-13 17:34 ` Pavel Machek
2008-09-03 14:17 ` [PATCH 6/9] Introduce functions to dump mm Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:17 ` Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:23 ` [PATCH 4/9] Introduce container dump function Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-03 14:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080903142308.GB13425-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:45 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:45 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-4-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 12:29 ` [PATCH 3/9] Introduce context structure needed during checkpointing/restart Matthieu Fertré
2008-09-03 12:29 ` Matthieu Fertré
[not found] ` <48BE8315.6030907-7Ky3UMAtGjA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:11 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:11 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 13:56 ` Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:13 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-03 13:56 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <20080903135616.GR14473-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:07 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:07 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:13 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <48BE9B74.7010600-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:29 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:29 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:27 ` [PATCH 2/9] Make checkpoint/restart functionality modular Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20080903142720.GC13425-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:51 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:51 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-3-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 3/9] Introduce context structure needed during checkpointing/restart Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:27 ` [PATCH 2/9] Make checkpoint/restart functionality modular Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-2-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 11:44 ` [PATCH 1/9] Introduce trivial sys_checkpoint and sys_restore system calls Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-03 11:44 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-03 13:05 ` [Devel] " Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <48BE7885.3070609-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 13:05 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 12:28 ` [PATCH 0/9] OpenVZ kernel based checkpointing/restart Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-03 13:59 ` [Devel] " Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-04 22:55 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <200809031759.29132.major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-04 22:55 ` Dave Hansen
2008-09-03 14:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <48BE82F9.4020808-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 13:59 ` [Devel] " Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-03 13:49 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <20080903134951.GQ14473-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:06 ` Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:06 ` Louis Rilling
2008-09-03 14:19 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:26 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <48BE9E95.3020706-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:53 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:53 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <20080903140636.GS14473-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 14:19 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 14:26 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-04 8:14 ` Oren Laadan
2008-09-04 14:05 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <1220439476-16465-1-git-send-email-major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-03 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/9] Introduce trivial sys_checkpoint and sys_restore system calls Andrey Mirkin
2008-09-03 12:28 ` [PATCH 0/9] OpenVZ kernel based checkpointing/restart Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-03 13:49 ` Louis Rilling
2008-09-04 8:14 ` Oren Laadan
2008-09-04 14:05 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-17 23:33 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-17 23:33 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-20 11:10 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-20 11:10 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-20 13:25 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <48FC86B2.8000606-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 13:48 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-20 13:48 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <48FC8C30.6040409-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 13:49 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-20 13:49 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-20 15:53 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 15:53 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <48FCA97C.1040108-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 16:37 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-20 16:37 ` Daniel Lezcano
[not found] ` <48FCB3CC.9030804-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 17:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-20 17:23 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20081020172358.GA29092-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 0:18 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 0:18 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-21 0:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <48FD1FBC.5050408-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-21 0:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 13:24 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-21 13:24 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-27 14:45 ` [Devel] " Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-27 14:45 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-20 16:51 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 9:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-10-20 16:51 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-21 9:36 ` Cedric Le Goater
[not found] ` <20081020111002.GQ15171-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-20 13:25 ` Daniel Lezcano
2008-10-20 16:36 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-20 16:36 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-20 12:14 ` [Devel] " Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-20 15:55 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-27 14:07 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-27 14:07 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <200810271707.13580.major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 14:39 ` Oren Laadan
2008-11-03 19:35 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-27 14:39 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-30 6:02 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-30 11:47 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-30 17:08 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 18:01 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-30 18:01 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <20081030180133.GN15171-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 18:28 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-30 18:28 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-30 17:45 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <4909F2B5.7040907-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 18:14 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-30 18:14 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-30 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-31 10:37 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <4909FDD3.5090806-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-31 10:37 ` Louis Rilling
[not found] ` <20081030181418.GO15171-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 18:32 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <20081030114747.GL15171-Hu8+6S1rdjywhHL9vcZdMVaTQe2KTcn/@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 17:08 ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-30 17:45 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-30 14:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <200810300902.47067.major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 11:47 ` Louis Rilling
2008-10-30 14:08 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-10-30 17:03 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2008-10-30 17:03 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <4905D2AD.1070309-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-30 6:02 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-11-03 19:35 ` Oren Laadan
2008-10-20 17:17 ` Oren Laadan
[not found] ` <48FCBD24.7070902-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-27 14:38 ` Andrey Mirkin
2008-10-27 14:38 ` Andrey Mirkin
[not found] ` <200810201614.36911.major-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
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