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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Tolentino <matthew.e.tolentino@intel.com>,
	Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, Matt@smtp1.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Dave@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	Andy@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Yasunori Goto <y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	pavel@suse.cz, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] hibernation should work ok with memory hotplug
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:03:06 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225936986.6216.23.camel@nigel-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081106095314.8e65f443.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

Hi.

On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 09:53 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:28:01 -0800
> Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 09:14 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > Ok, please consider "when memory hotplug happens." 
> > > 
> > > In general, it happens when
> > >   1. memory is inserted to slot.
> > >   2. the firmware notifes the system to enable already inserted memory.
> > > 
> > > To trigger "1", you have to open cover of server/pc. Do you open pc while the system
> > > starts hibernation ? for usual people, no.
> > 
> > You're right, this won't happen very often.  We're trying to close a
> > theoretical hole that hasn't ever been observed in practice.  But, we
> > don't exactly leave races in code just because we haven't observed them.
> > I think this is a classic race.
> > 
> > If we don't close it now, then someone doing some really weirdo hotplug
> > is going to run into it at some point.  Who knows what tomorrow's
> > hardware/firmware will do?
> > 
> Hmm, people tend to make crazy hardware, oh yes. the pc may fly in the sky with rocket engine.

It doesn't even have to be crazy. Just imagine someone bumping a button
on the case while plugging in the memory and that button being
configured to make the machine hibernate.

Regards,

Nigel

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From: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@crca.org.au>
To: KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Tolentino <matthew.e.tolentino@intel.com>,
	Hansen <haveblue@us.ibm.com>,
	linux-pm@lists.osdl.org, Matt@smtp1.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Dave@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, Mel Gorman <mel@skynet.ie>,
	Andy@smtp1.linux-foundation.org, Whitcroft <apw@shadowen.org>,
	Yasunori Goto <y-goto@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	pavel@suse.cz, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] hibernation should work ok with memory hotplug
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:03:06 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1225936986.6216.23.camel@nigel-laptop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081106095314.8e65f443.kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>

Hi.

On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 09:53 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 16:28:01 -0800
> Dave Hansen <dave@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 09:14 +0900, KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki wrote:
> > > Ok, please consider "when memory hotplug happens." 
> > > 
> > > In general, it happens when
> > >   1. memory is inserted to slot.
> > >   2. the firmware notifes the system to enable already inserted memory.
> > > 
> > > To trigger "1", you have to open cover of server/pc. Do you open pc while the system
> > > starts hibernation ? for usual people, no.
> > 
> > You're right, this won't happen very often.  We're trying to close a
> > theoretical hole that hasn't ever been observed in practice.  But, we
> > don't exactly leave races in code just because we haven't observed them.
> > I think this is a classic race.
> > 
> > If we don't close it now, then someone doing some really weirdo hotplug
> > is going to run into it at some point.  Who knows what tomorrow's
> > hardware/firmware will do?
> > 
> Hmm, people tend to make crazy hardware, oh yes. the pc may fly in the sky with rocket engine.

It doesn't even have to be crazy. Just imagine someone bumping a button
on the case while plugging in the memory and that button being
configured to make the machine hibernate.

Regards,

Nigel

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-06  2:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-29 10:59 [PATCH] hibernation should work ok with memory hotplug Pavel Machek
2008-10-29 12:25 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-03 20:51   ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-03 20:51     ` Andrew Morton
2008-11-03 21:18     ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-03 21:18       ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-03 21:21     ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 22:24       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-03 22:24         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-03 22:34         ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 22:34           ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 23:05           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-03 23:05             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-03 23:10             ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 23:10               ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  0:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04  0:29                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04  0:52                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  0:52                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-03 23:39           ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-11-03 23:39             ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-11-04  4:02           ` [linux-pm] " Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-04  4:02             ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-04  7:08             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04  7:08               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04  7:36               ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  7:36                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  8:54                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04  8:54                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 15:21                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04 15:21                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04 15:35                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 15:35                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 15:39                       ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04 15:39                         ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04 16:34                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 16:34                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-04 16:59                           ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-05  0:38                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-05  0:38                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-05 11:08                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-05 11:08                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-06  0:14                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  0:14                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  0:28                                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-06  0:28                                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-06  0:53                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  0:53                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  2:03                                       ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2008-11-06  2:03                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  2:13                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  2:13                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06 14:47                                       ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 14:47                                         ` Alan Stern
2008-11-07  1:09                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07  1:09                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-07  1:09                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  8:47                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-06  8:47                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-06  1:17                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  1:17                                     ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  1:43                                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  1:43                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  1:54                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  1:54                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  1:59                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  1:59                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  2:00                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  2:00                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  2:07                                           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  2:07                                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  3:12                                             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  3:12                                               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  3:28                                               ` Yasunori Goto
2008-11-06  3:28                                                 ` Yasunori Goto
2008-11-06  6:04                                                 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  6:04                                                   ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06 14:48                                           ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 14:48                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 14:48                                             ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 20:46                                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06 20:46                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  9:12                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-06  9:12                                       ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-06  9:12                                       ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  9:12                                         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-11-06  9:26                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06  9:26                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-06 14:43                                   ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 14:43                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-11-06 14:43                                     ` Alan Stern
2008-11-04  7:09             ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  7:09               ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  7:30               ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-04  7:30                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-04  7:53                 ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-04  7:53                   ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-05  9:10                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-05  9:10                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2008-11-05 10:58                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-05 10:58                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2008-11-05 16:23                     ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-05 16:23                       ` Dave Hansen
2008-11-06 12:28     ` Pavel Machek
2008-11-06 12:28       ` Pavel Machek

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