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From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, dann frazier <dannf@hp.com>,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, Narendra_K@dell.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jordan_Hargrave@dell.com,
	Charles_Rose@dell.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:12:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1256836333.2827.65.camel@achroite> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091029165556.GA9846@kroah.com>

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 09:55 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 04:49:35PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > 3. Name assignment mechanism
> > Disks: kernel suggests a name; udev can assign any number
> > ???Net devices: kernel assigns a single name; udev can override it
> > 
> > 4. Default name assignment policy
> > Disks: names disk by device path (id), label and UUID
> > ???Net devices: assigns arbitrary stable names per (MAC address, subtype)
> > 
> > 5. Naming by users
> > Disks: user can identify by any method without having to choose on a
> > system-wide basis
> > Net devices: user must identify by single name; policy can be overridden
> > on a system-wide basis
> > 
> > I fully understand the technical reasons for differences 3-5, but why
> > should users have to put up with it?
> 
> That is because network devices are not referred to by /dev/ nodes where
> multiple symlinks would solve the naming problem.

Did you even read the last sentence?

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Senior Software Engineer, Solarflare Communications
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.


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From: Ben Hutchings <bhutchings@solarflare.com>
To: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Matt Domsch <Matt_Domsch@dell.com>,
	Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>, dann frazier <dannf@hp.com>,
	linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, Narendra_K@dell.com,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Jordan_Hargrave@dell.com,
	Charles_Rose@dell.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:12:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1256836333.2827.65.camel@achroite> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091029165556.GA9846@kroah.com>

On Thu, 2009-10-29 at 09:55 -0700, Greg KH wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 04:49:35PM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > 3. Name assignment mechanism
> > Disks: kernel suggests a name; udev can assign any number
> > ???Net devices: kernel assigns a single name; udev can override it
> > 
> > 4. Default name assignment policy
> > Disks: names disk by device path (id), label and UUID
> > ???Net devices: assigns arbitrary stable names per (MAC address, subtype)
> > 
> > 5. Naming by users
> > Disks: user can identify by any method without having to choose on a
> > system-wide basis
> > Net devices: user must identify by single name; policy can be overridden
> > on a system-wide basis
> > 
> > I fully understand the technical reasons for differences 3-5, but why
> > should users have to put up with it?
> 
> That is because network devices are not referred to by /dev/ nodes where
> multiple symlinks would solve the naming problem.

Did you even read the last sentence?

Ben.

-- 
Ben Hutchings, Senior Software Engineer, Solarflare Communications
Not speaking for my employer; that's the marketing department's job.
They asked us to note that Solarflare product names are trademarked.


  reply	other threads:[~2009-10-29 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:00   ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 14:51     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:23       ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56       ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-09 16:56         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41     ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 10:41       ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31       ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 11:31         ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37       ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:37         ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06         ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:06           ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53           ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 18:53             ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53             ` John W. Linville
2009-10-13 19:53               ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36   ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 16:36     ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:17       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22       ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:22         ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 21:09     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  2:44     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10  2:44       ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10  4:40       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  4:40         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10  5:23         ` Greg KH
2009-10-10  5:23           ` Greg KH
2009-10-10  8:17           ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10  8:29             ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:27               ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 19:00                 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:10                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 12:47             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25             ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:25               ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34               ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 17:34                 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:13                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-12  6:21                   ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12  6:21                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19                       ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40               ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 16:40                 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-11 18:47                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11           ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:11             ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35             ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-10 18:35               ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10           ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 21:10             ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-11 23:04               ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12  3:00             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12  3:00               ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35               ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:35                 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44                 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 18:44                   ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45           ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:45             ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55             ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 17:55               ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07               ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:07                 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15                 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:15                   ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32         ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 18:32           ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06           ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:06             ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02             ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:02               ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 18:56                 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12  7:30           ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-12  7:30             ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11  0:37         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-11  0:37           ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08   ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 15:08     ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:13     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:25       ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36       ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:36         ` dann frazier
2009-10-16  0:32         ` dann frazier
2009-10-16  0:32           ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:02           ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 14:14             ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20             ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:20               ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33               ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:33                 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:41                   ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40                 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40                   ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:30                   ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 11:42                     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14                     ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-19 16:14                       ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:23                       ` Narendra_K
2009-11-04 14:35                         ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06  8:49                         ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06  8:49                           ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:06                             ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35                             ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:35                               ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17                               ` dann frazier
2009-11-06 23:17                                 ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:41                               ` Narendra_K
2009-11-09 14:53                                 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-10 17:23                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11  6:31                                   ` Narendra_K
2009-11-11  6:43                                     ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05                         ` Domsch, Matt
2009-11-06 22:05                           ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22  6:36                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-22  6:36                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55                     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-27 20:55                       ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28  8:23                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Kay Sievers
2009-10-28  8:23                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 13:03                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-28 15:09                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                               ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                             ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09                               ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-28 16:11                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06                         ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 13:06                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:15                         ` Narendra_K
2009-10-28 19:27                           ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11                         ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 13:11                           ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25                           ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 14:25                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:44                             ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:56                               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:52                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:22                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:34                                   ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:50                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces dann frazier
2009-10-29 16:49                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:49                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:55                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12                                 ` Ben Hutchings [this message]
2009-10-29 17:12                                   ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:20                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:46                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:46                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30  3:30                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  3:30                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  5:38                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30  5:38                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30  6:22                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30  6:22                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:00                                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:13                               ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 15:25                                 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08                                 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:08                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:53                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:54                                     ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:05                                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:10                                   ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:10                                     ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13                                     ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-30 17:13                                       ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-30  7:45                         ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30  7:45                           ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22                           ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:22                             ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34                             ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-30 16:34                               ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51       ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 19:51         ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00         ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:00           ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19           ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:19             ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05             ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:05               ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08             ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 22:08               ` dann frazier

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