From: dann frazier <dannf@dannf.org>
To: Narendra_K@Dell.com
Cc: greg@kroah.com, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com, kay.sievers@vrfy.org,
linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Jordan_Hargrave@Dell.com, Charles_Rose@Dell.com,
bhutchings@solarflare.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:05:48 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091030170548.GB4547@lackof.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589684@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:23:57PM +0530, Narendra_K@Dell.com wrote:
>
> >> >There are two issues, which really seem distinct to me.
> >> >
> >> >Users expect eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic. That's an installer
> >> >issue (since the BIOS can already export this info) and I
> >agree that
> >> >if we want to "fix" that, we should fix it there.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I agree that installers have to be fixed in the sense that
> >they can be
> >> told to find the right interface. But, they expect determinism and
> >> depend on "eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic". Installer is
> >one of the
> >> applications that is affected by this and needs user
> >intervention, if
> >> it is not told about the right interface. I discussed
> >installer as it
> >> is so much part of a user experience.
> >
> >Right, but couldn't the installer do the work of scanning the
> >SMBIOS to figure out which nics are onboard, and reorder the
> >'eth*' names such that these are first? This state could then
> >be written out as udev rules so that they persist across reboots.
> >
>
> I suppose, with udev loading modules, the rules generated at runtime
> could run into the problem of duplicate names, if names are reordered in
> the kernel namespace. (I.e the eth* namespace). Hence idea of an
> alternate namespace.
I don't see a risk of duplicate names - after all drivers are loaded,
the installer can take the names enumerated by the kernel, figure out
what it thinks a preferrable order is (i.e. by querying SMBIOS), then
change the kernel names/mac mapping appropriately. Where can a
duplicate name become an issue using this method?
--
dann frazier
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From: dann frazier <dannf@dannf.org>
To: Narendra_K@Dell.com
Cc: greg@kroah.com, Matt_Domsch@Dell.com, kay.sievers@vrfy.org,
linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
Jordan_Hargrave@Dell.com, Charles_Rose@Dell.com,
bhutchings@solarflare.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:05:48 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091030170548.GB4547@lackof.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EDA0A4495861324DA2618B4C45DCB3EE589684@blrx3m08.blr.amer.dell.com>
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 10:23:57PM +0530, Narendra_K@Dell.com wrote:
>
> >> >There are two issues, which really seem distinct to me.
> >> >
> >> >Users expect eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic. That's an installer
> >> >issue (since the BIOS can already export this info) and I
> >agree that
> >> >if we want to "fix" that, we should fix it there.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I agree that installers have to be fixed in the sense that
> >they can be
> >> told to find the right interface. But, they expect determinism and
> >> depend on "eth0 to map to first-onboard-nic". Installer is
> >one of the
> >> applications that is affected by this and needs user
> >intervention, if
> >> it is not told about the right interface. I discussed
> >installer as it
> >> is so much part of a user experience.
> >
> >Right, but couldn't the installer do the work of scanning the
> >SMBIOS to figure out which nics are onboard, and reorder the
> >'eth*' names such that these are first? This state could then
> >be written out as udev rules so that they persist across reboots.
> >
>
> I suppose, with udev loading modules, the rules generated at runtime
> could run into the problem of duplicate names, if names are reordered in
> the kernel namespace. (I.e the eth* namespace). Hence idea of an
> alternate namespace.
I don't see a risk of duplicate names - after all drivers are loaded,
the installer can take the names enumerated by the kernel, figure out
what it thinks a preferrable order is (i.e. by querying SMBIOS), then
change the kernel names/mac mapping appropriately. Where can a
duplicate name become an issue using this method?
--
dann frazier
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2009-10-09 14:00 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:00 ` Narendra K
2009-10-09 14:51 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 14:51 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 16:23 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:23 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-09 16:56 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-09 16:56 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-12 10:41 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 10:41 ` Scott James Remnant
2009-10-12 11:31 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 11:31 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-12 17:37 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:37 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-13 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:06 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-13 19:53 ` John W. Linville
2009-10-13 19:53 ` John W. Linville
2009-10-09 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 16:36 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:17 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:17 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 17:22 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 17:22 ` Greg KH
2009-10-09 21:09 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-09 21:09 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 2:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 2:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 4:40 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 4:40 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 5:23 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 5:23 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 8:17 ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 8:29 ` Sujit K M
2009-10-10 16:27 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:27 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 19:00 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 19:00 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-10 21:10 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:10 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 12:47 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 12:47 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-10 16:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 16:25 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 17:34 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 17:34 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-10 21:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:13 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 6:21 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 6:21 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-12 16:19 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-11 16:40 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 16:40 ` David Zeuthen
2009-10-11 18:47 ` Greg KH
2009-10-11 18:47 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:11 ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:11 ` Bill Fink
2009-10-10 18:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-10 18:35 ` Kay Sievers
2009-10-11 21:10 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 21:10 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-11 23:04 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-11 23:04 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 3:00 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 3:00 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:35 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:35 ` Rob Townley
2009-10-12 18:44 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 18:44 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-12 17:45 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:45 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 17:55 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:07 ` Bill Nottingham
2009-10-12 18:15 ` Greg KH
2009-10-12 18:15 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-10 21:06 ` Greg KH
2009-10-10 21:06 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:02 ` Dan Williams
2009-10-13 18:53 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 18:56 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-12 7:30 ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-12 7:30 ` Kurt Van Dijck
2009-10-11 0:37 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-11 0:37 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-10-13 15:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 15:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:13 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:25 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-13 17:36 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 17:36 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 0:32 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 0:32 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 14:02 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 14:14 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-16 15:20 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:20 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:33 ` Ben Hutchings
2009-10-16 15:41 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 15:41 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40 ` dann frazier
2009-10-16 21:40 ` dann frazier
2009-10-19 11:30 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 11:42 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-19 16:14 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-19 16:14 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-11-04 14:23 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-04 14:35 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 8:49 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 8:49 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:06 ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:06 ` Matt Domsch
2009-11-06 22:35 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 22:35 ` Marco d'Itri
2009-11-06 23:17 ` dann frazier
2009-11-06 23:17 ` dann frazier
2009-11-09 14:41 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-09 14:53 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-10 17:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-10 17:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-11-11 6:31 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-11 6:43 ` Narendra_K
2009-11-06 22:05 ` Domsch, Matt
2009-11-06 22:05 ` Domsch, Matt
2009-10-22 6:36 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-22 6:36 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-27 20:55 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-27 20:55 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 8:23 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 8:23 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Kay Sievers
2009-10-28 13:03 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 13:03 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-28 15:09 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-28 15:09 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:09 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-28 16:11 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-28 16:11 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-28 13:06 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 13:06 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-28 19:15 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-28 19:27 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 13:11 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 13:11 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-29 14:25 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 14:25 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:44 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:56 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 16:52 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:52 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:22 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:34 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-29 17:50 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:50 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces dann frazier
2009-10-29 16:49 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:49 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 16:55 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 16:55 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:12 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:12 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Ben Hutchings
2009-10-29 17:20 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:20 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-29 17:46 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-29 17:46 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 3:30 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 3:30 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 5:38 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 5:38 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 6:22 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 6:22 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Marco d'Itri
2009-10-30 15:00 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:00 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 15:13 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 15:25 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:08 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:08 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces dann frazier
2009-10-30 16:53 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent netinterfaces Narendra_K
2009-10-30 16:54 ` Narendra_K
2009-10-30 17:05 ` dann frazier [this message]
2009-10-30 17:05 ` dann frazier
2009-10-30 17:10 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:10 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-30 17:13 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Greg KH
2009-10-30 17:13 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Greg KH
2009-10-30 7:45 ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 7:45 ` Hannes Reinecke
2009-10-30 16:22 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:22 ` Bryan Kadzban
2009-10-30 16:34 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-30 16:34 ` [PATCH] udev: create empty regular files to represent net interfaces Stephen Hemminger
2009-10-13 19:51 ` PATCH: Network Device Naming mechanism and policy Greg KH
2009-10-13 19:51 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:00 ` Jordan_Hargrave
2009-10-13 20:19 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 20:19 ` Greg KH
2009-10-13 22:05 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:05 ` Matt Domsch
2009-10-13 22:08 ` dann frazier
2009-10-13 22:08 ` dann frazier
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