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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@secretlab.ca>
Cc: linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
	microblaze-uclinux@itee.uq.edu.au,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>, Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>,
	Dan Malek <ppc6dev@digitaldans.com>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr@canonical.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:09:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1276495772.2552.22.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBjwuVvij8I91XaQgLfn8r_lZDrAsIBfJrHDBF@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:13 -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> > We use that to suck the device-tree, which we flatten, and then
> re-enter
> > the kernel with the "common" entry interface.
> 
> I don't think I want to do the same on ARM.  I'd rather have the
> prom_init stuff in a boot wrapper, or have OFW itself generate the
> flat representation before booting the kernel.

But then it's no longer OF. IE. A compliant OF implementation provides a
client interface API :-)

This is going to be especially important if Mitch wants to keep OF
alive.

I suppose it could be done via a wrapper like prom_init, which flattens
the tree, and sticks somewhere in a property the address of the OF
client interface callback though it's a tad awkward. If well defined, I
suppose Mitch might even be able to make his OF natively boot kernels
that way but that's of course up to him.

> I'm trying to constrain the number of things that could go wrong by
> defining only one way for getting the device tree data into the
> kernel.

I understand, and the flattened method is the most versatile, I'm just
pointing out the situation here :-)

> Right.  We don't need to use OFW/RTAS to handle this use case.

Definitely not. It will depend on whatever hypervisor interface is
implemented in a given environment. Though I do like the idea of passing
precompiled bits of .dtb around for hotplug :-) We could make that a
standard way of KVM to do things in embedded space.

Cheers,
Ben.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: benh@kernel.crashing.org (Benjamin Herrenschmidt)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:09:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1276495772.2552.22.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBjwuVvij8I91XaQgLfn8r_lZDrAsIBfJrHDBF@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:13 -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> > We use that to suck the device-tree, which we flatten, and then
> re-enter
> > the kernel with the "common" entry interface.
> 
> I don't think I want to do the same on ARM.  I'd rather have the
> prom_init stuff in a boot wrapper, or have OFW itself generate the
> flat representation before booting the kernel.

But then it's no longer OF. IE. A compliant OF implementation provides a
client interface API :-)

This is going to be especially important if Mitch wants to keep OF
alive.

I suppose it could be done via a wrapper like prom_init, which flattens
the tree, and sticks somewhere in a property the address of the OF
client interface callback though it's a tad awkward. If well defined, I
suppose Mitch might even be able to make his OF natively boot kernels
that way but that's of course up to him.

> I'm trying to constrain the number of things that could go wrong by
> defining only one way for getting the device tree data into the
> kernel.

I understand, and the flattened method is the most versatile, I'm just
pointing out the situation here :-)

> Right.  We don't need to use OFW/RTAS to handle this use case.

Definitely not. It will depend on whatever hypervisor interface is
implemented in a given environment. Though I do like the idea of passing
precompiled bits of .dtb around for hotplug :-) We could make that a
standard way of KVM to do things in embedded space.

Cheers,
Ben.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely-s3s/WqlpOiPyB63q8FvJNQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: linuxppc-dev
	<linuxppc-dev-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	microblaze-uclinux-rVRm/Wmeqae7NGdpmJTKYQ@public.gmane.org,
	devicetree-discuss
	<devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Nicolas Pitre <nico-vtqb6HGKxmzR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Dan Malek <ppc6dev-7kUUosv42bfn7oBBQGLwdg@public.gmane.org>,
	Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 16:09:32 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1276495772.2552.22.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikBjwuVvij8I91XaQgLfn8r_lZDrAsIBfJrHDBF-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Sun, 2010-06-13 at 23:13 -0600, Grant Likely wrote:
> > We use that to suck the device-tree, which we flatten, and then
> re-enter
> > the kernel with the "common" entry interface.
> 
> I don't think I want to do the same on ARM.  I'd rather have the
> prom_init stuff in a boot wrapper, or have OFW itself generate the
> flat representation before booting the kernel.

But then it's no longer OF. IE. A compliant OF implementation provides a
client interface API :-)

This is going to be especially important if Mitch wants to keep OF
alive.

I suppose it could be done via a wrapper like prom_init, which flattens
the tree, and sticks somewhere in a property the address of the OF
client interface callback though it's a tad awkward. If well defined, I
suppose Mitch might even be able to make his OF natively boot kernels
that way but that's of course up to him.

> I'm trying to constrain the number of things that could go wrong by
> defining only one way for getting the device tree data into the
> kernel.

I understand, and the flattened method is the most versatile, I'm just
pointing out the situation here :-)

> Right.  We don't need to use OFW/RTAS to handle this use case.

Definitely not. It will depend on whatever hypervisor interface is
implemented in a given environment. Though I do like the idea of passing
precompiled bits of .dtb around for hotplug :-) We could make that a
standard way of KVM to do things in embedded space.

Cheers,
Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-14  6:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-11 22:59 Request review of device tree documentation Grant Likely
2010-06-11 22:59 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-11 23:47 ` Dan Malek
2010-06-11 23:47   ` Dan Malek
2010-06-12  2:58   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12  2:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12  4:48     ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12  4:48       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12  6:53   ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12  6:53     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12  8:19     ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12  8:19       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 10:45       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:45         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:48         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:48           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 16:30           ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 16:30             ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 22:52             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 22:52               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  5:07               ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13  5:07                 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13  5:39                 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13  5:39                   ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13  5:59                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  5:59                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  6:45                     ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13  6:45                       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13  8:29                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  8:29                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  5:36                         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:36                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:36                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 20:00                           ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-14 20:00                             ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-14 20:00                             ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-13  8:57                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  8:57                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  5:23                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:23                       ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:23                       ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  7:38                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  7:38                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  7:38                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  7:45                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  7:45                           ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  7:45                           ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  9:25                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  9:25                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  9:36                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  9:36                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  9:36                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  9:47                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14  9:47                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 14:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 14:29                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 14:29                                   ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 13:51                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 13:51                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 13:51                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:35                         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:35                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:35                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:58                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:58                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:58                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:16                             ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:16                               ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:16                               ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:02                   ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:02                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:02                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 12:44                     ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 12:44                       ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 12:44                       ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 14:59                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 14:59                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 14:59                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:08                         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:08                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:08                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:02                         ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:02                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:02                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:23                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:23                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:23                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:29                             ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:29                               ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:29                               ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28                           ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28                             ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28                             ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:33                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:33                               ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:58                           ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 16:58                             ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 16:58                             ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 17:26                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 17:26                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 18:20                               ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 18:20                                 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 18:20                                 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 19:40                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 19:40                                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 20:08                                   ` Mark Brown
2010-06-14 20:08                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-06-14 20:08                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-06-16  6:09                             ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:09                               ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:09                               ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:13                               ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:13                                 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:13                                 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:17                                 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:17                                   ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:32                                   ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:32                                     ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:32                                     ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  6:47                                     ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  6:47                                       ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16  7:40                                       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  7:40                                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  7:40                                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16  9:45                                         ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16  9:45                                           ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16  9:45                                           ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16 10:39                                         ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 10:39                                           ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 11:41                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 11:41                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 11:41                                             ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 13:48                                             ` Jamie Bennett
2010-06-16 13:48                                               ` Jamie Bennett
2010-06-16 14:39                                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-16 14:39                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-16 17:43                                             ` Tim Bird
2010-06-16 17:43                                               ` Tim Bird
2010-06-16 17:43                                               ` Tim Bird
2010-06-17  6:45                                               ` Benjamin Zores
2010-06-16  6:52                                     ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-16  6:52                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-16  6:52                                       ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-18 22:12                                       ` Frank Rowand
2010-06-18 22:12                                         ` Frank Rowand
2010-06-15  2:02                         ` David Gibson
2010-06-15  2:02                           ` David Gibson
2010-06-15  2:02                           ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 15:51                       ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-14 15:51                         ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-14 15:51                         ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-13  5:48                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13  5:48                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  5:13                   ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:13                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:13                     ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  6:09                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2010-06-14  6:09                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  6:09                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14  6:17                       ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  6:17                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14  6:17                         ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 22:15     ` Olof Johansson
2010-06-12 23:09       ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 23:09         ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13  6:47         ` [microblaze-uclinux] " Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-06-12  3:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12  3:00   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12  3:07   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12  3:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 13:12     ` Jeremy Kerr
2010-06-13 13:12       ` Jeremy Kerr
2010-06-14  5:40       ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 17:33 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-06-12 18:19   ` Grant Likely
     [not found]     ` <4C149DE1.1050800@gatzka.org>
     [not found]       ` <4C149DE1.1050800-tNItQxeJkt8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-13 20:03         ` Grant Likely
     [not found]           ` <AANLkTim-FzAihEd0FE72dy3Ubb2yiIQh4rtI6TIMovFW-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-14 23:44             ` Grant Likely
     [not found]               ` <AANLkTikV9XqufTO9LVAql3nbySpPz_p_4kv7YY2b4UPW-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-15 19:25                 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-06-14  5:54   ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14  5:54     ` Grant Likely
2010-08-05  4:43 ` David Gibson
2010-08-05  4:43   ` David Gibson
2010-09-01 16:19   ` Grant Likely
2010-09-01 16:19     ` Grant Likely
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-05 15:15 Terren Chow
     [not found] ` <AANLkTikFNFvM7x6TzN8DPM9E4vC0KVRb0sz4r2wu_nZ+-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-05 16:41   ` Grant Likely

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