From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <mike@compulab.co.il>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>,
microblaze-uclinux@itee.uq.edu.au,
devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@lists.ozlabs.org>,
linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>,
Mitch Bradley <wmb@firmworks.com>,
Dan Malek <ppc6dev@digitaldans.com>,
Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr@canonical.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:41:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100616114151.GB15054@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C18A9C7.5070800@compulab.co.il>
Mike Rapoport wrote:
> >Which of course raises the question: How does the Linux community view
> >such SoC vendors? Are they embraced and eagerly supported, or (either
> >openly or secretly) viewed as a nuisance? How does the widespread
> >objection to something that such vendors "would make extensive use of"
> >mesh with that view?
>
> I cannot tell for the entire Linux community, but from what I know, such
> vendors are not much welcomed in the community.
As far as I can tell, many such vendors don't have much interest in
contributing to the Linux community either. They use Linux code, glue
in their black-box binary modules and/or HALs, and engage poorly with
the community. It is not just end-product makers, but upstream
component, board and SDK manufacturers too.
-- Jamie
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: jamie@shareable.org (Jamie Lokier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:41:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100616114151.GB15054@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C18A9C7.5070800@compulab.co.il>
Mike Rapoport wrote:
> >Which of course raises the question: How does the Linux community view
> >such SoC vendors? Are they embraced and eagerly supported, or (either
> >openly or secretly) viewed as a nuisance? How does the widespread
> >objection to something that such vendors "would make extensive use of"
> >mesh with that view?
>
> I cannot tell for the entire Linux community, but from what I know, such
> vendors are not much welcomed in the community.
As far as I can tell, many such vendors don't have much interest in
contributing to the Linux community either. They use Linux code, glue
in their black-box binary modules and/or HALs, and engage poorly with
the community. It is not just end-product makers, but upstream
component, board and SDK manufacturers too.
-- Jamie
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jamie Lokier <jamie-yetKDKU6eevNLxjTenLetw@public.gmane.org>
To: Mike Rapoport <mike-UTxiZqZC01RS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nicolas Pitre <nico-vtqb6HGKxmzR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>,
microblaze-uclinux-rVRm/Wmeqae7NGdpmJTKYQ@public.gmane.org,
devicetree-discuss
<devicetree-discuss-uLR06cmDAlY/bJ5BZ2RsiQ@public.gmane.org>,
linuxppc-dev
<linuxppc-dev-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
Dan Malek <ppc6dev-7kUUosv42bfn7oBBQGLwdg@public.gmane.org>,
Jeremy Kerr <jeremy.kerr-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>,
linux-arm-kernel-IAPFreCvJWM7uuMidbF8XUB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Request review of device tree documentation
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:41:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100616114151.GB15054@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C18A9C7.5070800-UTxiZqZC01RS1MOuV/RT9w@public.gmane.org>
Mike Rapoport wrote:
> >Which of course raises the question: How does the Linux community view
> >such SoC vendors? Are they embraced and eagerly supported, or (either
> >openly or secretly) viewed as a nuisance? How does the widespread
> >objection to something that such vendors "would make extensive use of"
> >mesh with that view?
>
> I cannot tell for the entire Linux community, but from what I know, such
> vendors are not much welcomed in the community.
As far as I can tell, many such vendors don't have much interest in
contributing to the Linux community either. They use Linux code, glue
in their black-box binary modules and/or HALs, and engage poorly with
the community. It is not just end-product makers, but upstream
component, board and SDK manufacturers too.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-06-16 11:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-06-11 22:59 Request review of device tree documentation Grant Likely
2010-06-11 22:59 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-11 23:47 ` Dan Malek
2010-06-11 23:47 ` Dan Malek
2010-06-12 2:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 2:58 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 4:48 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 4:48 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 6:53 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 6:53 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 8:19 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 8:19 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 10:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:45 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 10:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 16:30 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 16:30 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 22:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 22:52 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 5:07 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13 5:07 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13 5:39 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13 5:39 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13 5:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 5:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 6:45 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13 6:45 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-13 8:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 8:29 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 5:36 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:36 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:36 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 20:00 ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-14 20:00 ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-14 20:00 ` Ben Dooks
2010-06-13 8:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 8:57 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 5:23 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:23 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:23 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 7:38 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 7:38 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 7:38 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 7:45 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 7:45 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 7:45 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 9:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 9:25 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 9:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 9:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 9:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 9:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 9:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-06-14 14:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 14:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 14:29 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 13:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 13:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 13:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:35 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:35 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:35 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:58 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:16 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:16 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:16 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:02 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:02 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:02 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 12:44 ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 12:44 ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 12:44 ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 14:59 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 14:59 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 14:59 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 15:08 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:08 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 15:08 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:02 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:23 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 16:29 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:29 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:29 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:28 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 16:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:33 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-14 16:58 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 16:58 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 16:58 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 17:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 17:26 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 18:20 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 18:20 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 18:20 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 19:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 19:40 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-14 20:08 ` Mark Brown
2010-06-14 20:08 ` Mark Brown
2010-06-14 20:08 ` Mark Brown
2010-06-16 6:09 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:09 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:09 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:13 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:13 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:13 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:17 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:17 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:32 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:32 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:32 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 6:47 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 6:47 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 7:40 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 7:40 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 7:40 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-16 9:45 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16 9:45 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16 9:45 ` Vladimir Pantelic
2010-06-16 10:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 10:39 ` Mike Rapoport
2010-06-16 11:41 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2010-06-16 11:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 11:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-06-16 13:48 ` Jamie Bennett
2010-06-16 13:48 ` Jamie Bennett
2010-06-16 14:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-16 14:39 ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-06-16 17:43 ` Tim Bird
2010-06-16 17:43 ` Tim Bird
2010-06-16 17:43 ` Tim Bird
2010-06-17 6:45 ` Benjamin Zores
2010-06-16 6:52 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-16 6:52 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-16 6:52 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-18 22:12 ` Frank Rowand
2010-06-18 22:12 ` Frank Rowand
2010-06-15 2:02 ` David Gibson
2010-06-15 2:02 ` David Gibson
2010-06-15 2:02 ` David Gibson
2010-06-14 15:51 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-14 15:51 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-14 15:51 ` M. Warner Losh
2010-06-13 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 5:48 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 5:13 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:13 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:13 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 6:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 6:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 6:09 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-14 6:17 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 6:17 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-14 6:17 ` Mitch Bradley
2010-06-12 22:15 ` Olof Johansson
2010-06-12 23:09 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 23:09 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-13 6:47 ` [microblaze-uclinux] " Edgar E. Iglesias
2010-06-12 3:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 3:00 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 3:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-12 3:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-13 13:12 ` Jeremy Kerr
2010-06-13 13:12 ` Jeremy Kerr
2010-06-14 5:40 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-12 17:33 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-06-12 18:19 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <4C149DE1.1050800@gatzka.org>
[not found] ` <4C149DE1.1050800-tNItQxeJkt8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-13 20:03 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <AANLkTim-FzAihEd0FE72dy3Ubb2yiIQh4rtI6TIMovFW-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-14 23:44 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` <AANLkTikV9XqufTO9LVAql3nbySpPz_p_4kv7YY2b4UPW-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-15 19:25 ` Stephan Gatzka
2010-06-14 5:54 ` Grant Likely
2010-06-14 5:54 ` Grant Likely
2010-08-05 4:43 ` David Gibson
2010-08-05 4:43 ` David Gibson
2010-09-01 16:19 ` Grant Likely
2010-09-01 16:19 ` Grant Likely
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-08-05 15:15 Terren Chow
[not found] ` <AANLkTikFNFvM7x6TzN8DPM9E4vC0KVRb0sz4r2wu_nZ+-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2010-08-05 16:41 ` Grant Likely
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