Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[Yoann Congal]

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Le mar. 8 oct. 2024 à 11:27, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
lists.yoctoproject.org <salahaldeen.altous=yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org>
a écrit :

> Hi All,
>
> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need to
> rebuild it every time from scratch.
> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>
> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which requirement I
> need to get it running?
> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the SDK is
> not working
>

That sounds like the eSDK :
https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#applying-updates-to-an-installed-extensible-sdk
Have you tried it?


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> Salahaldeen
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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[Alexander Kanavin]

I think you should rather teach your customer to use yocto properly,
rather than exchange SDKs and pre-built ipks with them. Write a proper
recipe for the component, and explain to them how to use it.

Alex

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 11:38, Yoann Congal via lists.yoctoproject.org
<yoann.congal=smile.fr@lists.yoctoproject.org> wrote:
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>
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> Le mar. 8 oct. 2024 à 11:27, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via lists.yoctoproject.org <salahaldeen.altous=yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org> a écrit :
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need to rebuild it every time from scratch.
>> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>>
>> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which requirement I need to get it running?
>> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the SDK is not working
>
>
> That sounds like the eSDK : https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#applying-updates-to-an-installed-extensible-sdk
> Have you tried it?
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Salahaldeen
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[salahaldeen.altous]

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Hi Alex,

I would be happy if everyone can learn yocto. but in the real world is different.
We have application developer who is only looking to work with SDK without knowing how to build with yocto.

One option is to use also eSDK but in my case is not applicable.

Regards,
Salahaldeen

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 02:43 AM, Alexander Kanavin wrote:

> 
> I think you should rather teach your customer to use yocto properly,
> rather than exchange SDKs and pre-built ipks with them. Write a proper
> recipe for the component, and explain to them how to use it.
> 
> Alex
> 
> On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 11:38, Yoann Congal via lists.yoctoproject.org
> <yoann.congal=smile.fr@lists.yoctoproject.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le mar. 8 oct. 2024 à 11:27, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
>> lists.yoctoproject.org
>> <salahaldeen.altous=yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org> a écrit :
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need to
>>> rebuild it every time from scratch.
>>> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>>> 
>>> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which requirement I
>>> need to get it running?
>>> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the SDK is
>>> not working
>> 
>> 
>> That sounds like the eSDK : https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#applying-updates-to-an-installed-extensible-sdk
>> 
>> Have you tried it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Salahaldeen
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Yoann Congal
>> Smile ECS - Tech expert
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
>

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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[Alexander Kanavin]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 14:04, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
Lists.Yoctoproject.Org
<salahaldeen.altous=yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org> wrote:
> I would be happy if everyone can learn yocto. but in the real world is different.
> We have application developer who is only looking to work with SDK without knowing how to build with yocto.
>
> One option is to use also eSDK but in my case is not applicable.

They don't have to 'learn yocto' or use gigantic esdk tarballs or even
regular sdk tarballs. They only need to replicate a yocto environment
(blindly following your instructions) and then set up a SDK
environment directly from there (again blindly following your
instructions). Then things will work exactly as they do with SDK
tarball, except you don't need to pass tarballs and ipks around, and
they can easily add things they need to the SDK environment:

https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#installing-the-extensible-sdk

"Setting up the Extensible SDK environment directly in a Yocto build.
This avoids having to produce, test, distribute and maintain separate
SDK installer archives, which can get very large. There is only one
environment for the regular Yocto build and the SDK and less code
paths where things can go not according to plan. It’s easier to update
the SDK: it simply means updating the Yocto layers with git fetch or
layer management tooling. The SDK extensibility is better than in the
second option: just run bitbake again to add more things to the
sysroot, or add layers if even more things are required."

... and then there are specifics about what commands you need to issue
to make it happen.

I still don't agree with all these 'application developers' who can't
be bothered to learn at least a little bit about how their work is
integrated into a complete system, but you can help them self-isolate
from that if they really insist.

Alex

Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[salahaldeen.altous]

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On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 02:38 AM, Yoann Congal wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Le mar. 8 oct. 2024 à 11:27, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via lists.yoctoproject.org
> ( http://lists.yoctoproject.org ) <salahaldeen.altous= yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org
> > a écrit :
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need to
>> rebuild it every time from scratch.
>> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>> 
>> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which requirement I
>> need to get it running?
>> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the SDK is
>> not working
>> 
> 
> 
> That sounds like the eSDK : https://docs.yoctoproject.org/sdk-manual/extensible.html#applying-updates-to-an-installed-extensible-sdk
> 
> Have you tried it?
> 

I was planning to used the normal SDK becuase the eSDK is 5 times bigger for my custom board ~13 GB, I was looking for similar function to install only few packages on the top of the normally SDK without rebuilding again. This would be helpful for the application developer who have no possibility to bitbake a new SDK !! and receiveing incremental updates.

Regards,
Salahaldeen Altous

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Regards,
>> Salahaldeen
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Yoann Congal
> Smile ECS - Tech expert
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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[Alexander Kanavin]

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 at 13:18, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
lists.yoctoproject.org
<salahaldeen.altous=yahoo.com@lists.yoctoproject.org> wrote:
> I was planning to used the normal SDK becuase the eSDK is 5 times bigger for my custom board ~13 GB, I was looking for similar function to install only few packages on the top of the normally SDK without rebuilding again. This would be helpful for the application developer who have no possibility to bitbake a new SDK !! and receiveing incremental updates.

They need to start using yocto simply. You can share sstate with them
so they don't have to rebuild everything.

Alex

Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[ChenQi]

If I understand it correctly, you want to update your SDK from some 
binary package feeds. I'd say it's possible, because it's basically 
about installing packages into some directory and doing some relocation, 
but you'll need to write some tool to do the update work and place that 
tool in your SDK. There's no official tool in Yocto as far as I know. 
Not sure if someone else has written such a tool.

Regards,
Qi

On 10/8/24 16:28, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via 
lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need 
> to rebuild it every time from scratch.
> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>
> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which 
> requirement I need to get it running?
> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the 
> SDK is not working
>
> Regards,
> Salahaldeen
>
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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[salahaldeen.altous]

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Hi Qi,

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 07:50 PM, Chen Qi wrote:

> 
> If I understand it correctly, you want to update your SDK from some
> binary package feeds. I'd say it's possible, because it's basically
> about installing packages into some directory and doing some relocation,
> but you'll need to write some tool to do the update work and place that
> tool in your SDK. There's no official tool in Yocto as far as I know.
> Not sure if someone else has written such a tool.

this is also my thought, and I was think to use opkg after sourcing the sdk script.
But was not working

source path/to/sdk/environment-setup-aarch64-oe-linux
opkg list
* file_mkdir_hier: Cannot create directory `//usr/local/oe-sdk-hardcoded-buildpath': Permission denied.

I am missing something here!!

Regards,
Salahaldeen

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Qi
> 
> On 10/8/24 16:28, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
> lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without the need
>> to rebuild it every time from scratch.
>> I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>> 
>> can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which
>> requirement I need to get it running?
>> updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but updating the
>> SDK is not working
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Salahaldeen
>> 
>> 
> 
>

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Re: [yocto] How I can update the Yocto SDK incrementally/partially?

[ChenQi]

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For things to work, the package manager will need to have some certain 
abilities. For example, it can accept a parameter which points to the 
database it uses (e.g., --dbpath). I think RPM/dnf have all the ability 
to make things work. I'm not familiar with opkg though. Even with 
RPM/dnf, updating SDK from binary package feeds still needs some tool 
which invokes rpm/dnf, because you'll need to do some relocation or some 
mapping or creating some temp root directory, etc, in that tool.

Regards,

Qi


On 10/9/24 14:48, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via 
Lists.Yoctoproject.Org wrote:
> Hi Qi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 07:50 PM, Chen Qi wrote:
>
>     If I understand it correctly, you want to update your SDK from some
>     binary package feeds. I'd say it's possible, because it's basically
>     about installing packages into some directory and doing some
>     relocation,
>     but you'll need to write some tool to do the update work and place
>     that
>     tool in your SDK. There's no official tool in Yocto as far as I know.
>     Not sure if someone else has written such a tool.
>
> this is also my thought, and I was think to use opkg after sourcing 
> the sdk script.
> But was not working
>
> source path/to/sdk/environment-setup-aarch64-oe-linux
> opkg list
> * file_mkdir_hier: Cannot create directory 
> `//usr/local/oe-sdk-hardcoded-buildpath': Permission denied.
>
> I am missing something here!!
>
> Regards,
> Salahaldeen
>
>
>     Regards,
>     Qi
>
>     On 10/8/24 16:28, salahaldeen.altous@yahoo.com via
>     lists.yoctoproject.org wrote:
>
>         Hi All,
>
>         I have the need to update the yocto SDK incrementally without
>         the need
>         to rebuild it every time from scratch.
>         I have the package management ipk enabled in my configuration.
>
>         can I use opkg install after sourcing the SDK script? which
>         requirement I need to get it running?
>         updating the rootfs on the target is working fine, but
>         updating the
>         SDK is not working
>
>         Regards,
>         Salahaldeen
>

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