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From: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Richard Cochran
	<richardcochran-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus-eUNUBHrolfbYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
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	Masami Hiramatsu
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] perf: Sample additional clock value
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:12:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1421860365.14076.91.camel@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150105134514.GS30905-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 13:45 +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:51:58PM +0000, Pawel Moll wrote:
> > Currently three clocks are implemented: CLOCK_REALITME = 0,
> > CLOCK_MONOTONIC = 1 and CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW = 2. The clock field is
> > 5 bits wide to allow for future extension to custom, non-POSIX clock
> > sources(MAX_CLOCK for those is 16, see include/uapi/linux/time.h) like
> > ARM CoreSight (hardware trace) timestamp generator.
> 
> > @@ -304,7 +305,16 @@ struct perf_event_attr {
> >  				mmap2          :  1, /* include mmap with inode data     */
> >  				comm_exec      :  1, /* flag comm events that are due to an exec */
> >  				uevents        :  1, /* allow uevents into the buffer */
> > -				__reserved_1   : 38;
> > +
> > +				/*
> > +				 * clock: one of the POSIX clock IDs:
> > +				 *
> > +				 * 0 - CLOCK_REALTIME
> > +				 * 1 - CLOCK_MONOTONIC
> > +				 * 4 - CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW
> > +				 */
> > +				clock          :  5, /* clock type */
> > +				__reserved_1   : 33;
> >  
> >  	union {
> >  		__u32		wakeup_events;	  /* wakeup every n events */
> 
> This would put a constraint on actually changing MAX_CLOCKS, are the
> time people OK with that? Thomas, John?

I admit I have some doubts about it myself. But I don't think we can
afford full int for the clock id, can we?

> I'm also not quite sure of using the >MAX_CLOCKS space for 'special'
> clocks, preferably those would register themselves with the POSIX clock
> interface.

That may be a hard sell - John never was particularly keen on extending
the hard-coded clocks with random sources. And the hardware trace clock
I had on mind would be probably one of them - its meaning depends a lot
on the . Of course I'm looking forward to being surprised :-)

> > @@ -4631,6 +4637,24 @@ static void __perf_event_header__init_id(struct perf_event_header *header,
> >  		data->cpu_entry.cpu	 = raw_smp_processor_id();
> >  		data->cpu_entry.reserved = 0;
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	if (sample_type & PERF_SAMPLE_CLOCK) {
> > +		switch (event->attr.clock) {
> > +		case CLOCK_REALTIME:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_real_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		case CLOCK_MONOTONIC:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_mono_fast_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		case CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_raw_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		default:
> > +			data->clock = 0;
> > +			break;
> > +		}
> > +	}
> > +
> >  }
> 
> This is broken. There is nothing stopping this from being called from
> NMI context and only the MONO one is NMI safe.

Uh, right. 

> Also, one would expect something like:
> 
> 	default: {
> 		struct k_clock *kc = clockid_to_kclock(event->attr.clock);
> 		struct timespec ts;
> 		if (kc) {
> 			kc->clock_get(event->attr.clock, &ts);
> 			data->clock = ktime_to_ns(timespec_to_ktime(ts));
> 		} else {
> 			data->clock = 0;
> 		}
> 	}
> 
> Albeit preferably slightly less horrible -- of course, one would first
> need to deal with the NMI issue.

Ok, generally this patch clearly needs more work. I'll have to revisit
what Thomas did with the monotonic clock to understand the potential
solutions.

Maybe, in this case, giving such a wide choice of clocks to be sampled
is not the right thing after all? Maybe, when we face the issue of a
trace clock for real, simple "PERF_SAMPLE_TRACE_CLOCK" will suffice?
With the monotonic clock as a normal time base merged (hopefully
soon :-) the correlation between kernel and user space (which was the
original reason for having this change) won't be an issue any more.

Pawel

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From: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	Christopher Covington <cov@codeaurora.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	David Ahern <dsahern@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu@tomeuvizoso.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-api@vger.kernel.org" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] perf: Sample additional clock value
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:12:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1421860365.14076.91.camel@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150105134514.GS30905@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, 2015-01-05 at 13:45 +0000, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 06, 2014 at 04:51:58PM +0000, Pawel Moll wrote:
> > Currently three clocks are implemented: CLOCK_REALITME = 0,
> > CLOCK_MONOTONIC = 1 and CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW = 2. The clock field is
> > 5 bits wide to allow for future extension to custom, non-POSIX clock
> > sources(MAX_CLOCK for those is 16, see include/uapi/linux/time.h) like
> > ARM CoreSight (hardware trace) timestamp generator.
> 
> > @@ -304,7 +305,16 @@ struct perf_event_attr {
> >  				mmap2          :  1, /* include mmap with inode data     */
> >  				comm_exec      :  1, /* flag comm events that are due to an exec */
> >  				uevents        :  1, /* allow uevents into the buffer */
> > -				__reserved_1   : 38;
> > +
> > +				/*
> > +				 * clock: one of the POSIX clock IDs:
> > +				 *
> > +				 * 0 - CLOCK_REALTIME
> > +				 * 1 - CLOCK_MONOTONIC
> > +				 * 4 - CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW
> > +				 */
> > +				clock          :  5, /* clock type */
> > +				__reserved_1   : 33;
> >  
> >  	union {
> >  		__u32		wakeup_events;	  /* wakeup every n events */
> 
> This would put a constraint on actually changing MAX_CLOCKS, are the
> time people OK with that? Thomas, John?

I admit I have some doubts about it myself. But I don't think we can
afford full int for the clock id, can we?

> I'm also not quite sure of using the >MAX_CLOCKS space for 'special'
> clocks, preferably those would register themselves with the POSIX clock
> interface.

That may be a hard sell - John never was particularly keen on extending
the hard-coded clocks with random sources. And the hardware trace clock
I had on mind would be probably one of them - its meaning depends a lot
on the . Of course I'm looking forward to being surprised :-)

> > @@ -4631,6 +4637,24 @@ static void __perf_event_header__init_id(struct perf_event_header *header,
> >  		data->cpu_entry.cpu	 = raw_smp_processor_id();
> >  		data->cpu_entry.reserved = 0;
> >  	}
> > +
> > +	if (sample_type & PERF_SAMPLE_CLOCK) {
> > +		switch (event->attr.clock) {
> > +		case CLOCK_REALTIME:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_real_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		case CLOCK_MONOTONIC:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_mono_fast_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		case CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW:
> > +			data->clock = ktime_get_raw_ns();
> > +			break;
> > +		default:
> > +			data->clock = 0;
> > +			break;
> > +		}
> > +	}
> > +
> >  }
> 
> This is broken. There is nothing stopping this from being called from
> NMI context and only the MONO one is NMI safe.

Uh, right. 

> Also, one would expect something like:
> 
> 	default: {
> 		struct k_clock *kc = clockid_to_kclock(event->attr.clock);
> 		struct timespec ts;
> 		if (kc) {
> 			kc->clock_get(event->attr.clock, &ts);
> 			data->clock = ktime_to_ns(timespec_to_ktime(ts));
> 		} else {
> 			data->clock = 0;
> 		}
> 	}
> 
> Albeit preferably slightly less horrible -- of course, one would first
> need to deal with the NMI issue.

Ok, generally this patch clearly needs more work. I'll have to revisit
what Thomas did with the monotonic clock to understand the potential
solutions.

Maybe, in this case, giving such a wide choice of clocks to be sampled
is not the right thing after all? Maybe, when we face the issue of a
trace clock for real, simple "PERF_SAMPLE_TRACE_CLOCK" will suffice?
With the monotonic clock as a normal time base merged (hopefully
soon :-) the correlation between kernel and user space (which was the
original reason for having this change) won't be an issue any more.

Pawel


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-21 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-06 16:51 [PATCH v4 0/3] perf: User/kernel time correlation and event generation Pawel Moll
2014-11-06 16:51 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] perf: Use monotonic clock as a source for timestamps Pawel Moll
2015-01-05 13:00   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20150105130035.GP30905-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 15:52       ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 15:52         ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]         ` <1421855543.14076.68.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 19:48           ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 19:48             ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]             ` <1421869684.14076.105.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 20:07               ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 20:07                 ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]   ` <1415292718-19785-2-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-27 15:05     ` Pawel Moll
2014-11-27 15:05       ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]       ` <1417100750.4371.1.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-11 13:39         ` Pawel Moll
2014-12-11 13:39           ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]           ` <1418305153.4037.1.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-05 13:01             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-05 13:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-21 15:47               ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-16 12:41     ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-16 12:41       ` Adrian Hunter
2015-01-21 20:27     ` [PATCH v5] " Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 20:27       ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]       ` <1421872037-12559-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-02 16:52         ` Pawel Moll
2015-02-02 16:52           ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]           ` <CAN+dfcT_6zZZ4oeyngUE5N0Wtx2B9CvXsfU71m+cuyXpq2KBdw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <CAN+dfcT_6zZZ4oeyngUE5N0Wtx2B9CvXsfU71m+cuyXpq2KBdw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03  9:20               ` Pawel Moll
2015-02-03  9:20                 ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]                 ` <1422955245.4944.26.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-11 16:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-11 16:12                     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                     ` <20150211161256.GH2896-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 10:04                       ` Adrian Hunter
2015-02-12 10:04                         ` Adrian Hunter
     [not found]                         ` <54DC7AC6.5010605-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 10:28                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-12 10:28                             ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                             ` <20150212102814.GK2896-IIpfhp3q70z/8w/KjCw3T+5/BudmfyzbbVWyRVo5IupeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-12 15:38                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-02-12 15:38                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]                                 ` <20150212153808.GR24151-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-13  0:25                                   ` John Stultz
2015-02-13  0:25                                     ` John Stultz
2015-02-13  7:07                               ` Adrian Hunter
2015-02-13  7:07                                 ` Adrian Hunter
     [not found] ` <1415292718-19785-1-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2014-11-06 16:51   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] perf: Userspace event Pawel Moll
2014-11-06 16:51     ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]     ` <1415292718-19785-3-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-05 13:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-05 13:12         ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20150105131237.GR30905-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 16:01           ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 16:01             ` Pawel Moll
2014-11-06 16:51 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] perf: Sample additional clock value Pawel Moll
     [not found]   ` <1415292718-19785-4-git-send-email-pawel.moll-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-05 13:45     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-05 13:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-01-05 19:17       ` John Stultz
     [not found]       ` <20150105134514.GS30905-ndre7Fmf5hadTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 17:12         ` Pawel Moll [this message]
2015-01-21 17:12           ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]           ` <1421860365.14076.91.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 17:44             ` John Stultz
2015-01-21 17:44               ` John Stultz
     [not found]               ` <CALAqxLV6ggCO81ntWuYuDjrqNeMePkZBpq92G9-iwMHm7ONuFg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 17:54                 ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-21 17:54                   ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]                   ` <1421862883.14076.99.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-21 18:05                     ` John Stultz
2015-01-21 18:05                       ` John Stultz
2015-01-23 17:06         ` Pawel Moll
2015-01-23 17:06           ` Pawel Moll
     [not found]           ` <1422032767.14076.151.camel-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2015-01-23 18:05             ` David Ahern
2015-01-23 18:05               ` David Ahern

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