From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
colm@allcosts.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
keescook@chromium.org, luto@amacapital.net, wad@chromium.org,
mingo@kernel.org, kirill@shutemov.name, dave.hansen@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] mm,fork,security: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 14:45:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1502217914.6577.32.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170808165211.GE31390@bombadil.infradead.org>
On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 09:52 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:46:08AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 08:19 -0700, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> > > If the use case is fairly specific, then perhaps it makes sense
> > > to
> > > make MADV_WIPEONFORK not applicable (EINVAL) for mappings where
> > > the
> > > result is 'questionable'.
> >
> > That would be a question for Florian and Colm.
> >
> > If they are OK with MADV_WIPEONFORK only working on
> > anonymous VMAs (no file mapping), that certainly could
> > be implemented.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am not sure that introducing cases
> > where MADV_WIPEONFORK does not implement wipe-on-fork
> > semantics would reduce user confusion...
>
> It'll simply do exactly what it does today, so it won't introduce any
> new fallback code.
Sure, but actually implementing MADV_WIPEONFORK in a
way that turns file mapped VMAs into zero page backed
anonymous VMAs after fork takes no more code than
implementing it in a way that refuses to work on VMAs
that have a file backing.
There is no complexity argument for or against either
approach.
The big question is, what is the best for users?
Should we return -EINVAL when MADV_WIPEONFORK is called
on a VMA that has a file backing, and only succeed on
anonymous VMAs?
Or, should we simply turn every memory range that has
MADV_WIPEONFORK done to it into an anonymous VMA in the
child process?
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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>,
Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
colm@allcosts.net, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
keescook@chromium.org, luto@amacapital.net, wad@chromium.org,
mingo@kernel.org, kirill@shutemov.name, dave.hansen@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] mm,fork,security: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2017 14:45:14 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1502217914.6577.32.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170808165211.GE31390@bombadil.infradead.org>
On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 09:52 -0700, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:46:08AM -0400, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > On Tue, 2017-08-08 at 08:19 -0700, Mike Kravetz wrote:
> > > If the use case is fairly specific, then perhaps it makes sense
> > > to
> > > make MADV_WIPEONFORK not applicable (EINVAL) for mappings where
> > > the
> > > result is 'questionable'.
> >
> > That would be a question for Florian and Colm.
> >
> > If they are OK with MADV_WIPEONFORK only working on
> > anonymous VMAs (no file mapping), that certainly could
> > be implemented.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am not sure that introducing cases
> > where MADV_WIPEONFORK does not implement wipe-on-fork
> > semantics would reduce user confusion...
>
> It'll simply do exactly what it does today, so it won't introduce any
> new fallback code.
Sure, but actually implementing MADV_WIPEONFORK in a
way that turns file mapped VMAs into zero page backed
anonymous VMAs after fork takes no more code than
implementing it in a way that refuses to work on VMAs
that have a file backing.
There is no complexity argument for or against either
approach.
The big question is, what is the best for users?
Should we return -EINVAL when MADV_WIPEONFORK is called
on a VMA that has a file backing, and only succeed on
anonymous VMAs?
Or, should we simply turn every memory range that has
MADV_WIPEONFORK done to it into an anonymous VMA in the
child process?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-08 18:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-06 14:04 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm,fork,security: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86,mpx: make mpx depend on x86-64 to free up VMA flag riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm,fork: introduce MADV_WIPEONFORK riel
2017-08-06 14:04 ` riel
2017-08-10 15:23 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 15:23 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 15:23 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 15:23 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 16:36 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-11 16:36 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-11 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 16:59 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-11 17:07 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-11 17:07 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-07 13:22 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] mm,fork,security: " Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 13:22 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20170807132257.GH32434-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-07 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 13:46 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 14:19 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-07 14:19 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-10 13:06 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 13:06 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 14:59 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-07 14:59 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-07 14:59 ` Rik van Riel
[not found] ` <1502117991.6577.13.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-09 9:59 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-09 9:59 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-09 9:59 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2017-08-09 12:31 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-09 12:31 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-09 12:31 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-09 12:42 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-09 12:42 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-10 13:05 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 13:05 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20170810130531.GS23863-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10 13:23 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-10 13:23 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-10 13:23 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
[not found] ` <CAAF6GDc2hsj-XJj=Rx2ZF6Sh3Ke6nKewABXfqQxQjfDd5QN7Ug-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10 15:36 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 15:36 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 15:36 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 16:17 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
[not found] ` <CAAF6GDeno6RpHf1KORVSxUL7M-CQfbWFFdyKK8LAWd_6PcJ55Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10 17:01 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 17:01 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 17:01 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20170810170144.GA987-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-10 22:09 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-10 22:09 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-10 22:09 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
[not found] ` <CAAF6GDdFjS612mx1TXzaVk1J-Afz9wsAywTEijO2TG4idxabiw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-11 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 14:06 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20170811140653.GO30811-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-11 14:11 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-11 14:11 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-11 14:11 ` Florian Weimer
[not found] ` <c8cda773-b28d-f35f-7f18-6735584cb173-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-11 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 14:24 ` Michal Hocko
[not found] ` <20170811142457.GP30811-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-08-11 15:24 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-11 15:24 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-11 15:24 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-11 15:31 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-11 15:31 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 15:55 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-07 16:02 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-10 13:21 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 13:21 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 13:21 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 14:11 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-07 18:23 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-07 18:23 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-08 9:58 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-08 9:58 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-08 13:15 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-08 13:15 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-08 15:19 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-08 15:19 ` Mike Kravetz
2017-08-08 15:22 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-08 15:22 ` Florian Weimer
2017-08-08 15:46 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-08 15:46 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-08 16:48 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-08 16:48 ` Colm MacCárthaigh
2017-08-08 16:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-08-08 16:52 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-08-08 18:45 ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2017-08-08 18:45 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-10 15:31 ` Michal Hocko
2017-08-10 15:31 ` Michal Hocko
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