From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] fs: detect that the i_rwsem has already been taken exclusively
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:42:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506901362.5691.247.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171001223402.GG15067@dastard>
On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 09:34 +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 11:41:48AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Right, re-introducing the iint->mutex and a new i_generation field in
> > > the iint struct with a separate set of locks should work. It will be
> > > reset if the file metadata changes (eg. setxattr, chown, chmod).
> >
> > Note that the "inner lock" could possibly be omitted if the
> > invalidation can be just a single atomic instruction.
> >
> > So particularly if invalidation could be just an atomic_inc() on the
> > generation count, there might not need to be any inner lock at all.
> >
> > You'd have to serialize the actual measurement with the "read
> > generation count", but that should be as simple as just doing a
> > smp_rmb() between the "read generation count" and "do measurement on
> > file contents".
>
> We already have a change counter on the inode, which is modified on
> any data or metadata write (i_version) under filesystem locks. The
> i_version counter has well defined semantics - it's required by
> NFSv4 to increment on any metadata or data change - so we should be
> able to rely on it's behaviour to implement IMA as well. Filesystems
> that support i_version are marked with [SB|MS]_I_VERSION in the
> superblock (IS_I_VERSION(inode)) so it should be easy to tell if IMA
> can be supported on a specific filesystem (btrfs, ext4, fuse and xfs
> ATM).
Recently I received a patch to replace i_version with mtime/atime.
Now, even more recently, I received a patch that claims that
i_version is just a performance improvement. For file systems that
don't support i_version, assume that the file has changed.
For file systems that don't support i_version, instead of assuming
that the file has changed, we can at least use i_generation.
With Linus' suggested changes, I think this will work nicely.
> The IMA code should be able to sample that at measurement time and
> either fail or be retried if i_version changes during measurement.
> We can then simply make the IMA xattr write conditional on the
> i_version value being unchanged from the sample the IMA code passes
> into the filesystem once the filesystem holds all the locks it needs
> to write the xattr...
> I note that IMA already grabs the i_version in
> ima_collect_measurement(), so this shouldn't be too hard to do.
> Perhaps we don't need any new locks or counterst all, maybe just
> the ability to feed a version cookie to the set_xattr method?
The security.ima xattr is normally written out in
ima_check_last_writer(), not in ima_collect_measurement().
ima_collect_measurement() calculates the file hash for storing in the
measurement list (IMA-measurement), verifying the hash/signature (IMA-
appraisal) already stored in the xattr, and auditing (IMA-audit).
The only time that ima_collect_measurement() writes the file xattr is
in "fix" mode. Writing the xattr will need to be deferred until after
the iint->mutex is released.
There should be no open writers in ima_check_last_writer(), so the
file shouldn't be changing.
Mimi
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From: zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com (Mimi Zohar)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [RFC PATCH 3/3] fs: detect that the i_rwsem has already been taken exclusively
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:42:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506901362.5691.247.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171001223402.GG15067@dastard>
On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 09:34 +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 11:41:48AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Right, re-introducing the iint->mutex and a new i_generation field in
> > > the iint struct with a separate set of locks should work. It will be
> > > reset if the file metadata changes (eg. setxattr, chown, chmod).
> >
> > Note that the "inner lock" could possibly be omitted if the
> > invalidation can be just a single atomic instruction.
> >
> > So particularly if invalidation could be just an atomic_inc() on the
> > generation count, there might not need to be any inner lock at all.
> >
> > You'd have to serialize the actual measurement with the "read
> > generation count", but that should be as simple as just doing a
> > smp_rmb() between the "read generation count" and "do measurement on
> > file contents".
>
> We already have a change counter on the inode, which is modified on
> any data or metadata write (i_version) under filesystem locks. The
> i_version counter has well defined semantics - it's required by
> NFSv4 to increment on any metadata or data change - so we should be
> able to rely on it's behaviour to implement IMA as well. Filesystems
> that support i_version are marked with [SB|MS]_I_VERSION in the
> superblock (IS_I_VERSION(inode)) so it should be easy to tell if IMA
> can be supported on a specific filesystem (btrfs, ext4, fuse and xfs
> ATM).
Recently I received a patch to replace i_version with mtime/atime.
?Now, even more recently, I received a patch that claims that
i_version is just a performance improvement. ?For file systems that
don't support i_version, assume that the file has changed.
For file systems that don't support i_version, instead of assuming
that the file has changed, we can at least use i_generation.
With Linus' suggested changes, I think this will work nicely.
> The IMA code should be able to sample that at measurement time and
> either fail or be retried if i_version changes during measurement.
> We can then simply make the IMA xattr write conditional on the
> i_version value being unchanged from the sample the IMA code passes
> into the filesystem once the filesystem holds all the locks it needs
> to write the xattr...
> I note that IMA already grabs the i_version in
> ima_collect_measurement(), so this shouldn't be too hard to do.
> Perhaps we don't need any new locks or counterst all, maybe just
> the ability to feed a version cookie to the set_xattr method?
The security.ima xattr is normally written out in
ima_check_last_writer(), not in ima_collect_measurement().
?ima_collect_measurement() calculates the file hash for storing in the
measurement list (IMA-measurement), verifying the hash/signature (IMA-
appraisal) already stored in the xattr, and auditing (IMA-audit).
The only time that ima_collect_measurement() writes the file xattr is
in "fix" mode. ?Writing the xattr will need to be deferred until after
the iint->mutex is released.
There should be no open writers in ima_check_last_writer(), so the
file shouldn't be changing.
Mimi
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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
Sascha Hauer <s.hauer@pengutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 3/3] fs: detect that the i_rwsem has already been taken exclusively
Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 19:42:42 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1506901362.5691.247.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171001223402.GG15067@dastard>
On Mon, 2017-10-02 at 09:34 +1100, Dave Chinner wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 11:41:48AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Right, re-introducing the iint->mutex and a new i_generation field in
> > > the iint struct with a separate set of locks should work. It will be
> > > reset if the file metadata changes (eg. setxattr, chown, chmod).
> >
> > Note that the "inner lock" could possibly be omitted if the
> > invalidation can be just a single atomic instruction.
> >
> > So particularly if invalidation could be just an atomic_inc() on the
> > generation count, there might not need to be any inner lock at all.
> >
> > You'd have to serialize the actual measurement with the "read
> > generation count", but that should be as simple as just doing a
> > smp_rmb() between the "read generation count" and "do measurement on
> > file contents".
>
> We already have a change counter on the inode, which is modified on
> any data or metadata write (i_version) under filesystem locks. The
> i_version counter has well defined semantics - it's required by
> NFSv4 to increment on any metadata or data change - so we should be
> able to rely on it's behaviour to implement IMA as well. Filesystems
> that support i_version are marked with [SB|MS]_I_VERSION in the
> superblock (IS_I_VERSION(inode)) so it should be easy to tell if IMA
> can be supported on a specific filesystem (btrfs, ext4, fuse and xfs
> ATM).
Recently I received a patch to replace i_version with mtime/atime.
Now, even more recently, I received a patch that claims that
i_version is just a performance improvement. For file systems that
don't support i_version, assume that the file has changed.
For file systems that don't support i_version, instead of assuming
that the file has changed, we can at least use i_generation.
With Linus' suggested changes, I think this will work nicely.
> The IMA code should be able to sample that at measurement time and
> either fail or be retried if i_version changes during measurement.
> We can then simply make the IMA xattr write conditional on the
> i_version value being unchanged from the sample the IMA code passes
> into the filesystem once the filesystem holds all the locks it needs
> to write the xattr...
> I note that IMA already grabs the i_version in
> ima_collect_measurement(), so this shouldn't be too hard to do.
> Perhaps we don't need any new locks or counterst all, maybe just
> the ability to feed a version cookie to the set_xattr method?
The security.ima xattr is normally written out in
ima_check_last_writer(), not in ima_collect_measurement().
ima_collect_measurement() calculates the file hash for storing in the
measurement list (IMA-measurement), verifying the hash/signature (IMA-
appraisal) already stored in the xattr, and auditing (IMA-audit).
The only time that ima_collect_measurement() writes the file xattr is
in "fix" mode. Writing the xattr will need to be deferred until after
the iint->mutex is released.
There should be no open writers in ima_check_last_writer(), so the
file shouldn't be changing.
Mimi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-10-01 23:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-09-28 12:39 [RFC PATCH 0/3] define new read_iter file operation rwf flag Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] fs: define new read_iter " Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 13:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-09-28 13:54 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-09-28 14:33 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 14:33 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 15:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-28 15:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-28 12:39 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] integrity: use call_read_iter to calculate the file hash Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] fs: detect that the i_rwsem has already been taken exclusively Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 12:39 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-28 22:02 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-28 22:02 ` Dave Chinner
2017-09-28 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-28 23:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-29 0:12 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 0:12 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 0:12 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-29 0:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-29 1:53 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 1:53 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 1:53 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-09-29 3:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-09-29 3:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 1:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-01 1:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <CA+55aFx726wT4VprN-sHm6s8Q_PV_VjhTBC4goEbMcerYU1Tig@mail.gmail.com>
2017-10-01 12:08 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 12:08 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 12:08 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 18:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 22:34 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-01 22:34 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-01 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 23:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-02 3:54 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-02 3:54 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-01 23:42 ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2017-10-01 23:42 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 23:42 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 3:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-02 3:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-02 3:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-02 12:25 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 12:25 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 12:25 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 4:35 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-02 4:35 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-02 4:35 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-02 4:35 ` Dave Chinner
2017-10-02 12:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 12:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 12:09 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-02 12:43 ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-02 12:43 ` Jeff Layton
2017-10-01 22:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-01 22:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-01 22:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 22:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-01 23:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 23:54 ` Mimi Zohar
2017-10-01 23:54 ` Mimi Zohar
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