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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	kirtika@google.com
Subject: Re: Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable"
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:34:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1508358869.2674.55.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c2e0e98-f3f4-6e0c-1bf0-43dfa6e97275@rempel-privat.de> (sfid-20171018_195626_878094_461B764D)

Hi,

On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 19:56 +0200, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> 
> > People trying to do regulatory testing want this feature, and other people
> > that are not me also like to test with specific rates.  Still a 
> > small-ish set of people, but bigger than just me at least.
> 
> Till now i was interviewing different people who was asking for this for 
> ath9k-htc. So I would say we have:
> - academical researchers
> - testers
> - R&D
> - exploit and penetration testers
> - HAM
> - just hackers
> 
> As for me, it sounds a s lot.

Making (literally) millions of devices in the field hit a WARN_ON() is
not really acceptable either though.

You can argue that this introduced a regression, but putting the old
behaviour back would equally be a regression, for more systems by a few
orders of magnitude.

In any case, I've already suggested a way to fix this, but you've both
completely ignored that part of my email. All I've been reading is that
you're demanding that I fix this, and arguments about how much people
are allowed to shoot themselves in the foot, none of which is very
constructive.

I might even fix it myself eventually, if only to appease the people
who say we have a zero tolerance no regressions rule, but it's not
exactly the most important thing I'm doing right now (also, I'll be
going on vacation for a few days, and you can probably implement my
suggestion in that time, and then I can review it when I get back on
Monday.)

Let's just say that I think we're discussing the wrong thing here - we
ought to be discussing how it can be fixed, and perhaps you can even be
constructive in suggesting (and testing, which I can't really do)
changes.

johannes

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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Oleksij Rempel <linux@rempel-privat.de>,
	Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	kirtika@google.com
Subject: Re: Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable"
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2017 22:34:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1508358869.2674.55.camel@sipsolutions.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8c2e0e98-f3f4-6e0c-1bf0-43dfa6e97275@rempel-privat.de> (sfid-20171018_195626_878094_461B764D)

Hi,

On Wed, 2017-10-18 at 19:56 +0200, Oleksij Rempel wrote:
> 
> > People trying to do regulatory testing want this feature, and other people
> > that are not me also like to test with specific rates.  Still a 
> > small-ish set of people, but bigger than just me at least.
> 
> Till now i was interviewing different people who was asking for this for 
> ath9k-htc. So I would say we have:
> - academical researchers
> - testers
> - R&D
> - exploit and penetration testers
> - HAM
> - just hackers
> 
> As for me, it sounds a s lot.

Making (literally) millions of devices in the field hit a WARN_ON() is
not really acceptable either though.

You can argue that this introduced a regression, but putting the old
behaviour back would equally be a regression, for more systems by a few
orders of magnitude.

In any case, I've already suggested a way to fix this, but you've both
completely ignored that part of my email. All I've been reading is that
you're demanding that I fix this, and arguments about how much people
are allowed to shoot themselves in the foot, none of which is very
constructive.

I might even fix it myself eventually, if only to appease the people
who say we have a zero tolerance no regressions rule, but it's not
exactly the most important thing I'm doing right now (also, I'll be
going on vacation for a few days, and you can probably implement my
suggestion in that time, and then I can review it when I get back on
Monday.)

Let's just say that I think we're discussing the wrong thing here - we
ought to be discussing how it can be fixed, and perhaps you can even be
constructive in suggesting (and testing, which I can't really do)
changes.

johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-18 20:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-10-10 20:54 Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable" Ben Greear
2017-10-10 20:54 ` Ben Greear
2017-10-11  4:37 ` Not able to set single rate in ath10k (backports-4.14-rc2-1) KAVITA MATHUR
2017-10-11  8:02 ` Setting single rate in ath10k broken by "reject/clear user rate mask if not usable" Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:02   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:07   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11  8:07     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-11 14:51   ` Ben Greear
2017-10-11 14:51     ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18  7:33     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18  7:33       ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 14:50       ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 14:50         ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 17:56         ` Oleksij Rempel
2017-10-18 17:56           ` Oleksij Rempel
2017-10-18 20:34           ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2017-10-18 20:34             ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 20:51             ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 20:51               ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 21:02               ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 21:02                 ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-18 21:30                 ` Ben Greear
2017-10-18 21:30                   ` Ben Greear
2017-10-25 15:17                   ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-25 15:17                     ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-25 16:13                     ` Ben Greear
2017-10-25 16:13                       ` Ben Greear
2017-10-27 20:15                       ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-27 20:15                         ` Johannes Berg
2017-10-27 20:41                         ` Ben Greear
2017-10-27 20:41                           ` Ben Greear
2017-11-13 10:09                           ` Johannes Berg
2017-11-13 10:09                             ` Johannes Berg
2017-11-13 17:05                             ` Ben Greear
2017-11-13 17:05                               ` Ben Greear

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