[parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[marc]

Hey, I just installed the newest version of Debian PA Linux off
the ISO CD, and everything went fine, I was able to install gcc, etc,
etc. but now I need to install a Java compiler and runtime environment
and more importantly a ssh client. I do not have network connectivity
yet, and I cannot find these packages using the 'apt-cache search'
command.

Thanks in advance for helping!
-Marc

Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Aaron Macks]

Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled 
packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form 
for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
Aaron
>
>and more importantly a ssh client. I do not have network connectivity


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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[marc]

>Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled 
>packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form 
>for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
>Aaron

`apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.

Any other ideas?

Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:04:58AM -0500, marc  wrote:
> 
> >Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled 
> >packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form 
> >for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
> >Aaron
> 
> `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
> 
> Any other ideas?

try an apt-get update first?

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Andreas Deresch]

On Wed, 29 May 2002, Matthew Wilcox wrote:

> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:04:58AM -0500, marc  wrote:
> >
> > >Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled
> > >packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form
> > >for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
> > >Aaron
> >
> > `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
> >
> > Any other ideas?
>
> try an apt-get update first?
ssh is in non-US isn't it? If there is no line like

deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main
(change for your favourite server, protocol, etc.)

in /etc/apt/sources.list, that won't do anything.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Andreas Deresch]

On Wed, 29 May 2002, Andreas Deresch wrote:

> On Wed, 29 May 2002, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:04:58AM -0500, marc  wrote:
> > >
> > > >Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled
> > > >packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form
> > > >for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
> > > >Aaron
> > >
> > > `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
> > >
> > > Any other ideas?
> >
> > try an apt-get update first?
> ssh is in non-US isn't it? If there is no line like
>
> deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main
> (change for your favourite server, protocol, etc.)
>
> in /etc/apt/sources.list, that won't do anything.
O.k., correction - at the moment it is in non-US/main for stable, in main
for testing and unstable.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[marc]

The problem is per my original post that I do not have network
yet, I just needed the Java and SSH stuff to do some work,
but I guess I will wait until I get things up and running.

Thanks,
-Marc

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Andreas Deresch <aderesch@fs.tum.de>
Reply-To: Andreas Deresch <aderesch@fs.tum.de>
Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 18:16:17 +0200 (CEST)

>On Wed, 29 May 2002, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:04:58AM -0500, marc  wrote:
>> >
>> > >Check for OpenSSH, I'm pretty sure it's part of the compiled
>> > >packages.  As for Java, I'm pretty sure there is no pre-compiled form
>> > >for HPPA, but you can try to compile it, or try Kaffe
>> > >Aaron
>> >
>> > `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
>> >
>> > Any other ideas?
>>
>> try an apt-get update first?
>ssh is in non-US isn't it? If there is no line like
>
>deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main
>(change for your favourite server, protocol, etc.)
>
>in /etc/apt/sources.list, that won't do anything.
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Andreas Deresch]

On Wed, 29 May 2002, marc  wrote:

> The problem is per my original post that I do not have network
> yet, I just needed the Java and SSH stuff to do some work,
> but I guess I will wait until I get things up and running.
If you have network access somewhere else, you can still download the
package there and carry it home. apt-zip is a tool for automating that (get
the package lists, update your local cache, choose packages, then run
apt-zip-list, use the produced script to download the packages somewhere
else, then run apt-zip-inst back home).

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Grant Grundler]

"marc " wrote:
> `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
> Any other ideas?

verify you have non-us in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
Something like:
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free


grundler <515>dpkg -l ssh
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name           Version        Description
+++-==============-==============-============================================
ii  ssh            3.0.2p1-9      Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)


grant

[parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Andy Walker]

Hi folks,

Just picked up a free 735/99 today, so suddenly I've become interested
in the status of the Outfield 53c720 driver. Has there been any progress
or is there just no information available? I'd be happy to test patches -
or even dive into the code myself, but without docs that sounds a little
pointless.

The box came with a FWD SCSI cage, and although I can scrounge a SE cage
to go in there, I'd like to make good use of these Seagate ST32430WD's
I've got laying around.

Nice things about this deal - it came with an Intel 10/100 network
card in the EISA slot, it came with a big HP drive cabinett with two
serviceabele 5GB Hawks in (and a possibly working full-height DAT
unit). It has 176MB of memory and still 2 banks free - and I can
scrounge memory to fill those banks. Pity it had an A1097C monitor -
I was crossing my fingers for another A4033A, but beggars can't be
choosers.

By the way, if I can get my hands on a 735/125 cpu/memory board, will
my /99 become a /125, or is there more to it than that?

cheers,
-Andy


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Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Grant Grundler]

Andy Walker wrote:
> By the way, if I can get my hands on a 735/125 cpu/memory board, will
> my /99 become a /125, or is there more to it than that?

I think so. I know someone here in Cupertino that stockpiles
735/125 boards for that purpose. I know particular revs of
firmware are required to run 125Mhz but don't know details.

Also note that the firmare is only *chip* upgradeable.
ie, scavenge newer firmware chips from dead boxes if you can.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[marc]

I got ssh up and running. Also, why does it bomb when I uncomment the line in my sources.list that has to do with the security updates?? I have network
connectivity now, and heres what I get for the
java possibilities:

seki:/etc/apt# more sources.list

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 prerelease _Woody_ - Unofficial hppa Binary-1 (2
0011205)]/ unstable contrib main
deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable non-US/main non-US/contrib n
on-US/non-free
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
# deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable updates/main updates/contrib updates/
non-free





seki:/etc/apt# apt-get install jikes
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  jikes: Depends: java-virtual-machine but it is not installable
E: Sorry, broken packages
seki:/etc/apt# apt-get install kaffe
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package kaffe has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
E: Package kaffe has no installation candidate



---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Grant Grundler <grundler@dsl2.external.hp.com>
Date:  Wed, 29 May 2002 14:13:34 -0600

>"marc " wrote:
>> `apt-cache search ssh` returns nothing.
>> Any other ideas?
>
>verify you have non-us in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
>Something like:
>deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free
>
>
>grundler <515>dpkg -l ssh
>Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
>| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
>|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
>||/ Name           Version        Description
>+++-==============-==============-============================================
>ii  ssh            3.0.2p1-9      Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)
>
>
>grant
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Richard Hirst]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:23:49AM -0500, marc  wrote:
> I got ssh up and running. Also, why does it bomb when I uncomment the line in my sources.list that has to do with the security updates?? I have network
> connectivity now, and heres what I get for the
> java possibilities:
> 
> seki:/etc/apt# more sources.list
> 
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 prerelease _Woody_ - Unofficial hppa Binary-1 (2
> 0011205)]/ unstable contrib main
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable non-US/main non-US/contrib n
> on-US/non-free
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
> deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib
> # deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable updates/main updates/contrib updates/
> non-free

Security updates only exist for stable releases, and don't exist for
woody yet as it isn't quite released.    Someone correct me if that's
not quite accurate.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Richard Hirst]

On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:20:16PM +0200, Andy Walker wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just picked up a free 735/99 today, so suddenly I've become interested
> in the status of the Outfield 53c720 driver. Has there been any progress
> or is there just no information available? I'd be happy to test patches -
> or even dive into the code myself, but without docs that sounds a little
> pointless.

Specs for Outfield are available now, look for hardball_ers.pdf on the
web site.

Other 53c720 interfaces (e.g. bluefish) are supported via the
ncr53c8xx.c driver, but that doesn't work for outfield because the 735
is not cache coherent.  My next idea was to add basic 53c720 support to
the 53c700 driver, as that works older hardware.  Ryan was interested in
looking at that a while back, but I don't know what happened.  My excuse
is that I don't have 735 h/w to test on so it is no fun - but that's a
poor excuse really as I could use my bluefish card to get 53c700 working
with 53c720.

53c700.c would drive the 53c720 chip in 53c700 mode, so would be
relatively low performance (more interrupts than you would need if you
made the most of the 53c720 features), and it would be 8 bit only.
Those issues could perhaps be fixed in time, and it would be better than
nothing, anyway.

Richard

Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Andy Walker]

Quoting Richard Hirst <rhirst@linuxcare.com>:
> 
> Specs for Outfield are available now, look for hardball_ers.pdf on the
> web site.

Actually I saw that - so I'll print 'em out and start digesting the info
this evening. Haven't hacked on a SCSI driver since the earliest 1.1.x
BusLogic days, but I can at least try to understand what's going on.

> Other 53c720 interfaces (e.g. bluefish) are supported via the
> ncr53c8xx.c driver, but that doesn't work for outfield because the 735
> is not cache coherent.

If you remember Richard, I was having all sorts of trouble with a Bluefish
card in a 725/100 a while back. Think I got the same results in a C110 too.
Recognized as Zalon, but hung up with SCSI timeouts if there was a disk
attached. HP-UX booted happily off the same controller & disk.

> My next idea was to add basic 53c720 support to the 53c700 driver, as
> that works older hardware.  Ryan was interested in looking at that a while
> back, but I don't know what happened.  My excuse is that I don't have 735
> h/w to test on so it is no fun - but that's a poor excuse really as I could
> use my bluefish card to get 53c700 working with 53c720.
> 
> 53c700.c would drive the 53c720 chip in 53c700 mode, so would be
> relatively low performance (more interrupts than you would need if you
> made the most of the 53c720 features), and it would be 8 bit only.
> Those issues could perhaps be fixed in time, and it would be better
> than nothing, anyway.
> 
> Richard

Well, I've got a 735, a Bluefish card, a B132L with Zalon onboard, and no
current hacking project at home. Unfortunately I also have a wife, two kids
and a reasonable social life, so no wild promises ;-)

-Andy

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Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:48:32AM +0200, Andy Walker wrote:
> If you remember Richard, I was having all sorts of trouble with a Bluefish
> card in a 725/100 a while back. Think I got the same results in a C110 too.
> Recognized as Zalon, but hung up with SCSI timeouts if there was a disk
> attached. HP-UX booted happily off the same controller & disk.

Hmm.. Bluefish in a 725 should also fail due to non-coherent DMA.
But a C110 has the ccio chip in it, so Bluefish should work fine.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Andy Walker]

Quoting Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>:

> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:48:32AM +0200, Andy Walker wrote:
> > If you remember Richard, I was having all sorts of trouble with a
> Bluefish
> > card in a 725/100 a while back. Think I got the same results in a C110
> too.
> > Recognized as Zalon, but hung up with SCSI timeouts if there was a
> disk
> > attached. HP-UX booted happily off the same controller & disk.
> 
> Hmm.. Bluefish in a 725 should also fail due to non-coherent DMA.
> But a C110 has the ccio chip in it, so Bluefish should work fine.

Okay, don't quote me on the C110 thing. I could be remembering it wrongly.
I'd test it, but my C110 Linux box is in another part of the building
here at work. Maybe test it on the B132 tonight.

While we're talking Bluefish, what is the meaning of the GPI0-3 dip
switches?

-Andy

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:23:49AM -0500, marc  wrote:
> seki:/etc/apt# apt-get install kaffe
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Package kaffe has no available version, but exists in the database.
> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
> never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
> of sources.list
> E: Package kaffe has no installation candidate

looks like no-one's managed to get kaffe built on hppa.  gcj doesn't seem
to be available for hppa either.  In fact, kaffe is only available for
alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc (ie hppa, ia64, mips, mipsel &
s390 haven't managed to get it working yet).  gcj seems to be available
on everything but hppa, mips & mipsel.  I don't know how much effort is
involved in making these things work.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[marc]

and I assume that jikes not working is the same reason that
the kaffe stuff is "lame"?

It would be a shame to have to go back to HP-UX... Our company
is amazingingy enough is happy for once to get on the bleading edge.

-Marc

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>
Date:  Thu, 30 May 2002 12:55:30 +0100

>On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 12:23:49AM -0500, marc  wrote:
>> seki:/etc/apt# apt-get install kaffe
>> Reading Package Lists... Done
>> Building Dependency Tree... Done
>> Package kaffe has no available version, but exists in the database.
>> This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
>> never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
>> of sources.list
>> E: Package kaffe has no installation candidate
>
>looks like no-one's managed to get kaffe built on hppa.  gcj doesn't seem
>to be available for hppa either.  In fact, kaffe is only available for
>alpha, arm, i386, m68k, powerpc, sparc (ie hppa, ia64, mips, mipsel &
>s390 haven't managed to get it working yet).  gcj seems to be available
>on everything but hppa, mips & mipsel.  I don't know how much effort is
>involved in making these things work.
>
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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Grant Grundler]

"marc " wrote:
> I got ssh up and running. Also, why does it bomb when I uncomment the line in
>    my sources.list that has to do with the security updates??

Any other takers?
I have no clue.
Can you post output to debian-hppa list?
I expect someone there will know.

> I have network connectivity now, and heres what I get for the
> java possibilities:

Phil Pinkerton had complained about this earlier.
He couldn't even get the code from Sun to compile.
Maybe you want to look up his email in the parisc-linux
mail archives and ask him.

hth,
grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 02:52:06PM -0600, Grant Grundler wrote:
> Any other takers?
> I have no clue.
> Can you post output to debian-hppa list?
> I expect someone there will know.

because security updates are only available for stable.  since woody is
not yet released, there are no security updates for woody.

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[John David Anglin]

> > I have network connectivity now, and heres what I get for the
> > java possibilities:
> 
> Phil Pinkerton had complained about this earlier.
> He couldn't even get the code from Sun to compile.

gcj builds without problem on all parisc configurations.  However,
nobody has done the work to port the java libraries.  I imagine
that getting the libraries to build under hppa-linux should be
pretty straight forward.

Dave
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Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Grant Grundler]

Andy Walker wrote:
> If you remember Richard, I was having all sorts of trouble with a Bluefish
> card in a 725/100 a while back. Think I got the same results in a C110 too.

That certainly wasn't because of cache coherency support.
725/100 is not cache coherent. C110 is.

grant

Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 05:01:45PM -0400, John David Anglin wrote:
> > > I have network connectivity now, and heres what I get for the
> > > java possibilities:
> > 
> > Phil Pinkerton had complained about this earlier.
> > He couldn't even get the code from Sun to compile.
> 
> gcj builds without problem on all parisc configurations.  However,
> nobody has done the work to port the java libraries.  I imagine
> that getting the libraries to build under hppa-linux should be
> pretty straight forward.

For some reason, doko disabled gcj from building in debian's packages.
Anyone know why?

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Re: [parisc-linux] Java and SSH

[John David Anglin]

> > gcj builds without problem on all parisc configurations.  However,
> > nobody has done the work to port the java libraries.  I imagine
> > that getting the libraries to build under hppa-linux should be
> > pretty straight forward.
> 
> For some reason, doko disabled gcj from building in debian's packages.
> Anyone know why?

Probably, since gcj is more or less useless without the libraries.
The hard part may be libffi.

Dave
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Re: [parisc-linux] Fast-Wide Diff. SCSI on a 735

[Ryan Bradetich]

I am still interested in working on this.  I have some preliminary
patches that I could update to CVS head, but they really do not get
very far.  During OLS I/We plan on working on this driver some more.  I 
believe the victim system is already present in Ottawa now :)

Thanks,

- Ryan


On Thu, 2002-05-30 at 02:14, Richard Hirst wrote:
> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 11:20:16PM +0200, Andy Walker wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > Just picked up a free 735/99 today, so suddenly I've become interested
> > in the status of the Outfield 53c720 driver. Has there been any progress
> > or is there just no information available? I'd be happy to test patches -
> > or even dive into the code myself, but without docs that sounds a little
> > pointless.
> 
> Specs for Outfield are available now, look for hardball_ers.pdf on the
> web site.
> 
> Other 53c720 interfaces (e.g. bluefish) are supported via the
> ncr53c8xx.c driver, but that doesn't work for outfield because the 735
> is not cache coherent.  My next idea was to add basic 53c720 support to
> the 53c700 driver, as that works older hardware.  Ryan was interested in
> looking at that a while back, but I don't know what happened.  My excuse
> is that I don't have 735 h/w to test on so it is no fun - but that's a
> poor excuse really as I could use my bluefish card to get 53c700 working
> with 53c720.
> 
> 53c700.c would drive the 53c720 chip in 53c700 mode, so would be
> relatively low performance (more interrupts than you would need if you
> made the most of the 53c720 features), and it would be 8 bit only.
> Those issues could perhaps be fixed in time, and it would be better than
> nothing, anyway.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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