From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>
Cc: lm@work.bitmover.com, miquels@cistron-office.nl,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM]
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 12:09:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20030620120910.3f2cb001.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030620001217.G6248@almesberger.net>
On Fri, 20 Jun 2003 00:12:17 -0300
Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net> wrote:
> Larry McVoy wrote:
> > These discussions always make me wonder if the open source crowd is ever
> > going to realize it's reasonable to be friendly with commercial companies.
>
> The problem is that you can't trust a company. You may choose to
> trust people who control or shape a company, but they may lose
> that control, and then all bets are off.
And that is exactly _the_ argument in this whole discussion. There seem to be
people out there who want to make a living from _others_ _ancient_ work they
bought for small bucks by sueing just about anyone.
GPL has an inherent long-term strategy, you are talking of short-term, Larry.
That does not match. If I am using only GPL-software I know I am able to use it
as is in five years from now. If I depend on being nice to commercial
companies, it may well turn out, that they are not being nice to me no matter
what I do.
In other words: it's all about being free or being dependant on goodwill.
Greets to the land of the free and the home of the brave,
Stephan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-06-20 9:55 UTC|newest]
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2003-05-30 8:04 SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-05-30 13:01 ` Paul Rolland
2003-05-30 20:20 ` Mark Mielke
2003-05-31 23:06 ` brian
2003-06-01 7:56 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 9:22 ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-06-01 9:38 ` Markus Plail
2003-06-01 9:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Riley Williams
2003-06-01 10:00 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-02 0:03 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Nicolas Vollmar
2003-06-01 9:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-06-01 9:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:56 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-01 12:34 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 12:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-02 0:15 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 1:19 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-02 11:10 ` uaca
2003-06-02 11:24 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-06-06 12:31 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 15:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-06 16:22 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-06 17:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
[not found] ` <5.2.0.9.2.20030607044649.00cd4590@pop.gmx.net>
2003-06-18 17:36 ` Sco vs. IBM Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 17:58 ` Luigi Rosa
2003-06-18 19:07 ` James Simmons
2003-06-18 19:19 ` Rick Franchuk
2003-06-18 19:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-18 19:53 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 20:28 ` Tom Diehl
2003-06-18 21:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 0:20 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 11:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 12:00 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 12:45 ` jdow
2003-06-19 12:57 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 13:03 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 13:14 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-19 13:29 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 23:39 ` jdow
2003-06-19 14:14 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-19 16:34 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-06-19 16:59 ` Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Larry McVoy
2003-06-19 17:13 ` ismail (cartman) donmez
2003-06-20 3:12 ` [OT] " Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 10:09 ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2003-06-20 14:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:59 ` Michael Poole
2003-06-20 15:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:50 ` Lawrence Walton
2003-06-20 16:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 16:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 16:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-21 12:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 14:10 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 17:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 17:54 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-23 8:54 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:04 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 14:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:26 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-24 9:51 ` David Blomber
2003-06-23 13:54 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:34 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-23 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:13 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 14:30 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 15:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 15:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:13 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-26 17:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-26 18:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 19:10 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-26 19:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 12:51 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 19:16 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-23 16:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 16:11 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 16:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-24 22:29 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-24 18:18 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-20 17:02 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 23:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-20 16:41 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 19:35 ` John Alvord
2003-06-21 13:46 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-23 12:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 14:44 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:49 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 16:58 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 17:21 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 15:18 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 15:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-23 19:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 0:31 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 1:21 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 3:35 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 3:37 ` Werner Almesberger
[not found] ` <PEEPIDHAKMCGHDBJLHKGKECCDBAA.rwhite@casabyte.com>
2003-06-25 3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 10:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-25 11:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-25 22:47 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 0:07 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 0:27 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 1:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:29 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 13:44 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-26 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 3:24 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-26 13:54 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-26 22:34 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 22:55 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 20:35 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 21:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 23:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 1:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 2:45 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 3:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:38 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 3:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 12:20 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 14:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 15:16 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 22:49 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-27 1:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-27 1:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 10:50 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 20:41 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 20:50 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 21:02 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 23:45 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-27 0:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 0:24 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-27 0:57 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-30 18:20 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 20:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 21:39 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 22:48 ` John Alvord
2003-06-26 21:50 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:00 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-25 21:27 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-21 12:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 15:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 17:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-21 7:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 12:55 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 13:06 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:11 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-06-23 12:16 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 12:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 13:05 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:27 ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-21 7:50 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 21:49 ` [OT] Troll Tech Jan Rychter
2003-06-21 22:02 ` Russell King
2003-06-22 1:47 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-22 14:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22 9:24 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:06 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-20 19:36 ` Greg KH
2003-06-20 20:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 0:04 ` Frank Cusack
2003-06-21 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 8:01 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-21 11:39 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 11:53 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:08 ` Andrey Panin
2003-06-21 19:03 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-21 19:54 ` Michael Poole
2003-06-21 22:13 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-22 1:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-22 10:30 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 2:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 20:54 ` Sco vs. IBM Robin Rosenberg
2003-06-21 8:03 ` Holger Freyther
2003-06-21 8:12 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-19 12:08 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 14:59 ` Bruce Ferrell
[not found] ` <3EF0ABB8.40007@coyotegulch.com>
2003-06-18 18:17 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 6:54 ` Dominik Kubla
2003-06-18 18:37 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-18 21:43 ` Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
2003-06-06 22:17 ` SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 22:33 ` Rob Landley
2003-06-12 10:20 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 11:39 ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-03 0:42 ` Raimundo Bilbao
2003-05-30 21:16 ` SCO's claims seem empty - Open Source Initiative Paper by Eric Raymond Piet Delaney
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306201101240.3705-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2003-06-20 15:09 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Nick LeRoy
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-20 17:12 Watson, Craig
2003-06-20 17:38 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:48 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 20:28 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-20 20:32 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 21:04 Tom Lord
2003-06-21 1:22 marcelo
2003-06-26 22:05 Mudama, Eric
2003-06-26 22:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 22:21 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 15:08 Watson, Craig
2003-06-27 23:15 ` Robert White
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