From: Michael Poole <mdpoole@troilus.org>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM]
Date: 20 Jun 2003 10:59:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vfv0bxsb.fsf@sanosuke.troilus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030620143012.GC14404@work.bitmover.com>
Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com> writes:
> I realized after I sent that that maybe the point was too subtle.
> Open source is great, I use it, I love it, no problem there. However,
> *if* I'm correct that what is happening is basically a process of copying,
> and *if* open source kills off the companies producing the products which
> are being copied, then open source slowly grinds to a halt in terms of
> creating anything new.
This is such an inane hypothesis I'm not sure why I bother responding.
Yes, a lot of open source software is just copying what someone else
has done. A lot of *all* software is re-implementing similar code
from someone else. Otherwise, what would be the point of IBM's DB2 vs
Oracle vs whoever else? [I will not say anything further about
monopolies and your self-comparison to Bill Gates.] If you look at
things like Apache or Perl, you can see just a few of the high-profile
open source projects that drive innovation in the computer field. If
you look at other specific areas, I bet you could find others.
Companies that sell hardware or systems tend to accept open source
software much more than software companies do, since using OSS is
often a win for both them and their customers.
Companies that make their money by selling software legitimately feel
threatened by open source software that performs the same functions.
It seems not so long ago that you, Larry, were trumpeting how BitMover
was and could easily stay ahead of free software revision control
systems. There are good economic reasons that open source is not the
first to enter most markets -- reasons that boil down to return on
investment and available resources to invest. Perhaps that lag is
what leads you to your hypothesis; but that lag also provides a space
where commercial software companies can exploit their development
speed to turn a profit.
Open source software can be a reflection of market efficiencies: if
the users of software have in-house developers (or are developers), it
can be cheaper for them to develop, enhance or maintain software than
to have someone else do it. When base source code is available and
customizable, total development costs are lower, regardless of who
does the development. False cries that open source software is
derivative will not change the economics that drive it.
Michael Poole
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-06-20 14:45 UTC|newest]
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2003-05-30 8:04 SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-05-30 13:01 ` Paul Rolland
2003-05-30 20:20 ` Mark Mielke
2003-05-31 23:06 ` brian
2003-06-01 7:56 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 9:22 ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2003-06-01 9:38 ` Markus Plail
2003-06-01 9:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Riley Williams
2003-06-01 10:00 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-02 0:03 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-01 9:40 ` Nicolas Vollmar
2003-06-01 9:58 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-06-01 9:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-01 9:56 ` Michael Frank
2003-06-01 12:34 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-01 12:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-02 0:15 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 1:19 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-02 11:10 ` uaca
2003-06-02 11:24 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2003-06-06 12:31 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 15:13 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-06 16:22 ` Paul Rolland
2003-06-06 17:20 ` Richard B. Johnson
[not found] ` <5.2.0.9.2.20030607044649.00cd4590@pop.gmx.net>
2003-06-18 17:36 ` Sco vs. IBM Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 17:58 ` Luigi Rosa
2003-06-18 19:07 ` James Simmons
2003-06-18 19:19 ` Rick Franchuk
2003-06-18 19:39 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-18 19:53 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-18 20:28 ` Tom Diehl
2003-06-18 21:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 0:20 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 11:04 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-19 12:00 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 12:45 ` jdow
2003-06-19 12:57 ` Magnus Solvang
2003-06-19 13:03 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 13:14 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-19 13:29 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 23:39 ` jdow
2003-06-19 14:14 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-19 16:34 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-06-19 16:59 ` Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Larry McVoy
2003-06-19 17:13 ` ismail (cartman) donmez
2003-06-20 3:12 ` [OT] " Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 10:09 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 14:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 14:59 ` Michael Poole [this message]
2003-06-20 15:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:50 ` Lawrence Walton
2003-06-20 16:02 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 16:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-20 16:33 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 1:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-21 12:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:38 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 14:10 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 17:05 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 17:54 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-23 8:54 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:22 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 13:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 13:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:04 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 14:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 14:26 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-24 9:51 ` David Blomber
2003-06-23 13:54 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:34 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-06-23 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:13 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 14:30 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 15:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-23 15:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:13 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-26 17:45 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-06-26 18:40 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 19:10 ` David Weinehall
2003-06-26 19:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 12:51 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 15:43 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 15:59 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-23 16:36 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 19:16 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-23 16:02 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-23 16:11 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-23 16:16 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 16:35 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-24 22:29 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-24 18:18 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-20 17:02 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 23:27 ` Paul Mackerras
2003-06-20 16:41 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 19:35 ` John Alvord
2003-06-21 13:46 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-23 12:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 14:44 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 15:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:49 ` Nick LeRoy
2003-06-20 16:58 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 17:21 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 15:18 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-20 15:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-20 15:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-06-23 19:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 0:31 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 1:21 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 3:35 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-25 3:37 ` Werner Almesberger
[not found] ` <PEEPIDHAKMCGHDBJLHKGKECCDBAA.rwhite@casabyte.com>
2003-06-25 3:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 10:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-25 11:32 ` David Woodhouse
2003-06-25 22:47 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 0:07 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 0:27 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 1:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:29 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 13:44 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-26 7:18 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 3:24 ` Paul Jakma
2003-06-26 11:20 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-26 13:54 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-26 22:34 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 22:55 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 20:35 ` Robert White
2003-06-25 21:09 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-25 23:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 1:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 2:45 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-26 3:16 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 3:38 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 3:50 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 12:20 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 14:45 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 15:16 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-26 22:49 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-27 1:17 ` David Schwartz
2003-06-27 1:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 10:50 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-26 20:41 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 20:50 ` David Lang
2003-06-26 21:02 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 23:45 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-27 0:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-27 0:24 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-06-27 0:57 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:40 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-30 18:20 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-26 20:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 21:39 ` Robert White
2003-06-26 22:48 ` John Alvord
2003-06-26 21:50 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 11:00 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-25 21:27 ` Timothy Miller
2003-06-21 12:28 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 15:46 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-20 17:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-06-21 7:37 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 12:55 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 13:06 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 13:11 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-06-23 12:16 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-23 12:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-06-23 13:05 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 16:27 ` Helge Hafting
2003-06-21 7:50 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 21:49 ` [OT] Troll Tech Jan Rychter
2003-06-21 22:02 ` Russell King
2003-06-22 1:47 ` Horst von Brand
2003-06-22 14:41 ` Daniel Phillips
2003-06-22 9:24 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2003-06-23 13:06 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Krzysztof Halasa
2003-06-20 19:36 ` Greg KH
2003-06-20 20:12 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 0:04 ` Frank Cusack
2003-06-21 0:46 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-21 8:01 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-21 11:39 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-21 11:53 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-06-21 12:08 ` Andrey Panin
2003-06-21 19:03 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-21 19:54 ` Michael Poole
2003-06-21 22:13 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-22 1:12 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-22 10:30 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2003-06-23 2:00 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-06-19 20:54 ` Sco vs. IBM Robin Rosenberg
2003-06-21 8:03 ` Holger Freyther
2003-06-21 8:12 ` Martin Diehl
2003-06-19 12:08 ` Thorsten Körner
2003-06-19 14:59 ` Bruce Ferrell
[not found] ` <3EF0ABB8.40007@coyotegulch.com>
2003-06-18 18:17 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-19 6:54 ` Dominik Kubla
2003-06-18 18:37 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-06-18 21:43 ` Grzegorz Jaskiewicz
2003-06-06 22:17 ` SCO's claims seem empty Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-06 22:33 ` Rob Landley
2003-06-12 10:20 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-02 11:39 ` Marcus Metzler
2003-06-03 0:42 ` Raimundo Bilbao
2003-05-30 21:16 ` SCO's claims seem empty - Open Source Initiative Paper by Eric Raymond Piet Delaney
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306201101240.3705-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2003-06-20 15:09 ` [OT] Re: Troll Tech [was Re: Sco vs. IBM] Nick LeRoy
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-06-20 17:12 Watson, Craig
2003-06-20 17:38 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-06-20 17:48 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 20:28 ` Martin List-Petersen
2003-06-20 20:32 Michael Kalus
2003-06-20 21:04 Tom Lord
2003-06-21 1:22 marcelo
2003-06-26 22:05 Mudama, Eric
2003-06-26 22:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-06-26 22:21 ` Robert White
2003-06-27 15:08 Watson, Craig
2003-06-27 23:15 ` Robert White
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