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From: Tim Hockin <thockin@hockin.org>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 14:17:01 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040106221701.GA7768@hockin.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FFB316A.6000004@zytor.com>

(sorry for the resend, forgot to CC the lists)

On Tue, Jan 06, 2004 at 02:06:34PM -0800, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> > Can you maybe share some details?  I think this deign moves MORE state to
> > userspace (expiry aside).  The "state" in kernel is really mostly sent back
> > to userspace.  No more passing pipes into the kernel (state) or tracking the
> > pgid of the daemon (state).
> 
> If you want to fire up a new daemon, all that state that was supposed to
> be kept in userspace has to be reconstructed.  That means the kernel has
> to have all that information; this would include stuff like what kind of
> umount policy you want for each key entry (the current daemon doesn't do
> that because it doesn't have the proper state.)

I'm not really sure what you're saying., here.  I'm sorry.  Not trying to be
thick, just not understanding.

What umount policy?  What state is supposed to be kept in userspace that isn't?

> > The daemon as it stands does NOT handle namespaces, does NOT handle expiry
> > well, and is a pretty sad copy of an old design.
> 
> First of all, I'll be blunt: namespaces currently provide zero benefit
> in Linux, and virtually noone uses them.  I have discussed this with
> Linus in the past, and neither one of us see namespaces as being worth

Let's get rid of them, then.  Make life that much easier.

  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-06 22:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-06 19:55 [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 19:55 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:01   ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:44   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:44     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:50   ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 21:50     ` [autofs] " Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:06     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:06       ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:17       ` Tim Hockin [this message]
     [not found]       ` <20040106221502.GA7398@hockin.org>
2004-01-06 22:20         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:20           ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 16:19           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 16:19             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 17:55             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:13               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 22:28       ` name spaces good (was: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs) Dax Kelson
2004-01-06 22:48         ` name spaces good H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:48           ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:14 ` [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Jim Carter
2004-01-07 21:14   ` [autofs] " Jim Carter
2004-01-07 22:55   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 22:55     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:00     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:00       ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-08 15:39       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:20         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 18:20           ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:06           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:06             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-10  5:43             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 13:07               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 16:01                 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:26                   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 22:50                     ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-12 23:28                       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13  1:30                       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13  1:30                         ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-12 16:28                   ` raven
2004-01-12 16:58                     ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13  1:54                       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13  1:54                         ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-13 19:01                         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 19:01                           ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-14 15:58                           ` raven
2004-01-14 19:32                             ` running out of mount points Greg Bradner
2004-01-19 15:48                               ` Greg Bradner
2004-01-19 17:11                                 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-19 19:07                                   ` Greg Bradner
2004-01-20 19:15                                 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-13 18:46                   ` [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 18:46                     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:51           ` Jim Carter
2004-01-09 20:51             ` [autofs] " Jim Carter
2004-01-10  5:56             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:34       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 19:41         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 23:42         ` Michael Clark
2004-01-09 20:28           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:28             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:54             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:54               ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:43               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:43                 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:32         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 18:32           ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:52           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:52             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-10  6:05             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:29     ` Olivier Galibert
2004-01-08 13:20       ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-08 16:23       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:35     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 13:08       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:20     ` Jim Carter
2004-01-08 21:01       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08  0:48   ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08  0:48     ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-06 22:28 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-06 22:47 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:53 ` Paul Raines
2004-01-07 23:14 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-07 23:32   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 12:52     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:52       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:31       ` viro
2004-01-09 18:43         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 19:41         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 19:57           ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:31             ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:36               ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 23:34 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 23:47 ` Tim Hockin
     [not found] <1b5GC-29h-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1b6CO-3v0-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-01-07  4:21   ` Andi Kleen
2004-01-07 17:50     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:04       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 21:11         ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-07 23:40           ` Jesper Juhl
2004-01-07 21:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-07 23:47           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 23:56             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-12 16:57               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13  7:39                 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 19:32 trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 20:08   ` trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 21:13     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 22:20       ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-01-08 22:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:37       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:02         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:52           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:16   ` Mike Waychison

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