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From: Mike Waychison <Michael.Waychison@Sun.COM>
To: raven@themaw.net
Cc: Jim Carter <jimc@math.ucla.edu>,
	autofs mailing list <autofs@linux.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:58:48 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4002D248.2070304@sun.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0401130025540.6362@raven.themaw.net>

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raven@themaw.net wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 raven@themaw.net wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Mon, 12 Jan 2004, Mike Waychison wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>>Transparency of an autofs filesystem (as I'm calling it) is the situation
>>>>where, given a map
>>>>
>>>>/usr	/man1	server:/usr/man1
>>>>	/man2	server:/usr/man2
>>>>
>>>>where the filesystem /usr contains, say a directory lib, that needs to be
>>>>available while also seeing the automounted directories.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>I see.  This requires direct mount triggers to do properly.  Trying to 
>>>do it with some sort of passthrough to the underlying filesystem is a 
>>>nightmare waiting to happen..
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>So what are we saying here?
>>
>>We install triggers at /usr/man1 and /usr/man2.
>>Then suppose the map had a nobrowse option.
>>Does the trigger also take care of hiding man1 and man2?
>>
>>Is there some definition of these triggers?
>>
>>    
>>
>
>And I have another question concerning namespaces.
>
>Given that there may be several namespaces, each of which may or may not 
>have a trigger on this dentry, is there some sort of list of triggers?
>
>How do the triggers know who owns them?
>
>
>  
>
This is the reason I went with using distinct filesystems to perform the 
triggers.  If we use follow_link logic, we will have a reference to the 
respective vfsmount.  Dentry's themselves know nothing about the 
triggers, as the triggers just look like a mounted filesystem.   The 
vfsmount information has enough information for autofs to call a 
userspace agent through hotplug and have userspace handle the mount.  In 
effect, there is no daemon so nobody 'owns' a trigger in the same sense 
as with autofs3/4.

As far as userspace is concerned, an autofs filesystem is mounted as is 
any other filesystem.  All that is required is a proper set of mount 
options.  For example, mounting auto_home on /home is:

mount -t autofs -o maptype=indirect,mapname=auto_home auto_home /home

Whenever somebody traverses into a subdir in /home within any namespace 
this autofs filesystem has been inherited, userspace is invoked (in that 
namespace) to perform the mount.  Again, there is no 'ownership' other 
than maybe calling the namespace it resides it the 'owner', as you would 
for any other mountpoint.

-- 
Mike Waychison
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-01-12 16:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-01-06 19:55 [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 19:55 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:01 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:01   ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 21:44   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:44     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 21:50   ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 21:50     ` [autofs] " Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:06     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:06       ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:17       ` Tim Hockin
     [not found]       ` <20040106221502.GA7398@hockin.org>
2004-01-06 22:20         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:20           ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 16:19           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 16:19             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 17:55             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:13               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-06 22:28       ` name spaces good (was: [autofs] [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs) Dax Kelson
2004-01-06 22:48         ` name spaces good H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 22:48           ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:14 ` [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Jim Carter
2004-01-07 21:14   ` [autofs] " Jim Carter
2004-01-07 22:55   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 22:55     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:00     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:00       ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-08 15:39       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:20         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 18:20           ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:06           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:06             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-10  5:43             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-12 13:07               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 16:01                 ` raven
2004-01-12 16:26                   ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-12 22:50                     ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-12 23:28                       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13  1:30                       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13  1:30                         ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-12 16:28                   ` raven
2004-01-12 16:58                     ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2004-01-13  1:54                       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-13  1:54                         ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-13 19:01                         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 19:01                           ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-14 15:58                           ` raven
2004-01-14 19:32                             ` running out of mount points Greg Bradner
2004-01-19 15:48                               ` Greg Bradner
2004-01-19 17:11                                 ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-19 19:07                                   ` Greg Bradner
2004-01-20 19:15                                 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-13 18:46                   ` [RFC] Towards a Modern Autofs Mike Waychison
2004-01-13 18:46                     ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:51           ` Jim Carter
2004-01-09 20:51             ` [autofs] " Jim Carter
2004-01-10  5:56             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 17:34       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 19:41         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 23:42         ` Michael Clark
2004-01-09 20:28           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:28             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:54             ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:54               ` [autofs] " H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:43               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:43                 ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 18:32         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 18:32           ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
2004-01-09 20:52           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:52             ` [autofs] " Mike Waychison
2004-01-10  6:05             ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:29     ` Olivier Galibert
2004-01-08 13:20       ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-01-08 16:23       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-08 12:35     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 13:08       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:20     ` Jim Carter
2004-01-08 21:01       ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08  0:48   ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08  0:48     ` [autofs] " Ian Kent
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-01-06 22:28 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 22:41 ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-06 22:47 ` Tim Hockin
2004-01-06 22:53 ` Paul Raines
2004-01-07 23:14 ` Jim Carter
2004-01-07 23:32   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 12:52     ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 12:52       ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 18:31       ` viro
2004-01-09 18:43         ` Ian Kent
2004-01-09 19:41         ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 19:57           ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:31             ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:36               ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-06 23:34 Ogden, Aaron A.
2004-01-06 23:47 ` Tim Hockin
     [not found] <1b5GC-29h-1@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1b6CO-3v0-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-01-07  4:21   ` Andi Kleen
2004-01-07 17:50     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-07 21:04       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 21:11         ` Mike Fedyk
2004-01-07 23:40           ` Jesper Juhl
2004-01-07 21:24         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-07 23:47           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-07 23:56             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-01-12 16:57               ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-13  7:39                 ` Ian Kent
2004-01-08 19:32 trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 19:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 20:08   ` trond.myklebust
2004-01-08 21:13     ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-08 22:20       ` J. Bruce Fields
2004-01-08 22:24         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 20:37       ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 21:02         ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-01-09 21:52           ` Mike Waychison
2004-01-09 20:16   ` Mike Waychison

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