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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: wli@holomorphy.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@osdl.org
Subject: Re: can device drivers return non-ram via vm_ops->nopage?
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 12:13:45 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040320121345.2a80e6a0.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040320150621.GO9009@dualathlon.random>

Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 06:40:22AM -0800, William Lee Irwin III wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 02:30:25PM +0100, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> > > Anyways returning to the non-ram returned by ->nopage see the below
> > > email exchange with Jens. the bug triggering of course is the
> > > BUG_ON(!pfn_valid(page_to_pfn(new_page))).
> > > If we want to return non-ram, we could, but I believe we should change
> > > the API to return a pfn not a page_t * if we want to.
> > 
> > This would be very helpful for other reasons also. There's a general
> > API issue with drivers that want or need to do this. The one I've
> 
> I'm afraid I'll have to teach ->nopage how to deal with non-ram with
> this page_t API too (changing it to pfn sounds too intrusive in the
> short term), it seems to me that alsa can return non-ram (in the nopage
> callback there's a virt_to_page on some iomm region), and changing alsa
> to use remap_file_pages sounds too intrusive too. 

I had a check in a valid pfn in page_add_rmap() for several weeks before I
actually removed the test.  The debug check never triggered.  But looking
at the code I don't see why not.  Weird.

fyi, we don't need the check in page_referenced() and try_to_unmap()
because do_no_page() does not place pages on the LRU.  It is the ->nopage
implementation which is responsible for that.  Presumably the ALSA driver
was not adding the "page" to the LRU.

I agree that ->nopage implementations should not be doing what that driver
is doing.  ->nopage is defined to return a page*: it's crazy to be
returning someting from there which isn't covered by mem_map[].

I just don't think it's important enough to be able to cope with
non-mem_map[] "memory" in do_no_page(), so I agree that requiring ->mmap()
to synchronously instantiate the pte's and retaining the debug check in
do_no_page() is a good idea.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-20 20:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-20 13:30 can device drivers return non-ram via vm_ops->nopage? Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 14:40 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 15:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 15:27     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 15:44     ` Russell King
2004-03-20 15:57       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 16:15         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 16:25           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 16:57             ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 17:48             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 19:03               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 15:58       ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-20 16:09         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 19:44           ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-20 22:23             ` Russell King
2004-03-20 22:45               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 23:54                 ` Russell King
2004-03-21  0:22                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-03-22  4:46                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-22 18:23                       ` Richard Curnow
2004-03-21  0:23                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21  9:52                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-21 10:39                   ` Jaroslav Kysela
2004-03-22  4:43             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-20 20:13     ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2004-03-20 20:28       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 20:50       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 22:26         ` Russell King
2004-03-20 22:45           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21 20:45             ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 20:49               ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-21 20:57                 ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 21:53                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 22:17                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:23                     ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 22:23                     ` Russell King
2004-03-21 22:34                       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:42                         ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-21 23:06                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 22:51                         ` Russell King
2004-03-21 23:09                           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 23:11                           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 23:22                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-21 23:51                               ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-21 23:58                                 ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:34                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-22  3:05                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-23 17:59                                   ` Andy Whitcroft
2004-03-23 17:58                                     ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-23 18:11                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  0:02                                 ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-22  3:28                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-22  0:10                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  0:20                                   ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:33                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  4:57                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-21 23:45                             ` Russell King
2004-03-22  0:23                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  0:29                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22  1:28                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  3:45                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  4:41                                     ` James Bottomley
2004-03-22  4:46                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22  4:56                                         ` James Bottomley
2004-03-22  5:26                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-22 11:58                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-22 12:05                                               ` Russell King
2004-03-22 12:34                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-22  9:30                                       ` Russell King
2004-03-22 15:04                                         ` James Bottomley
2004-03-22 15:15                                           ` Russell King
2004-03-22 15:27                                             ` James Bottomley
2004-03-22 21:50                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-22 22:18                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-22 22:35                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22 23:57                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-23  0:22                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-23  2:07                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-23  9:28                                                         ` Russell King
2004-03-23  9:34                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2004-03-23 10:04                                                             ` Russell King
2004-03-23 10:05                                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-23 11:29                                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-23 11:35                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-23 11:44                                                           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-23 12:34                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-23 12:40                                                               ` Russell King
2004-03-23 15:25                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-23 15:36                                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-23 15:46                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-23 15:50                                                                     ` Russell King
2004-03-23 22:10                                                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2004-03-25 20:25                                                                 ` Russell King
2004-03-28 10:17                                                                   ` Russell King
2004-03-23 12:49                                                               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-22 23:19                                                   ` Russell King
2004-03-22 23:35                                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-23  2:26                                                       ` James Bottomley
2004-03-22  6:36           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-20 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-20 17:56   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-03-20 18:22   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-03-21  3:13   ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-03-21  6:23     ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-21  7:00       ` Chris Wedgwood

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