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From: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
Cc: Werner Almesberger <wa@almesberger.net>, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: barriers vs. reads
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:28:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040622112802.GA21456@mail.shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040622075531.GX12881@suse.de>

Jens Axboe wrote:
> > But do we have cases where reads must not cross write barriers ?
> 
> To me, it's the expected behaviour. If you issue a barrier write, a read
> issued later should not be able to fetch old data.

Two things:

   1. A read _which doesn't overlap writes before the barrier_
      should be ok before the barrier with no visible change.

      So, look at the block numbers and permit reordering if there's
      no overlap.  This reordering is semantically invisible.

   2. Other than O_DIRECT, can the I/O subsystem issue reads that
      overlap writes in flight?  Surely that never occurs?

      If it never occurs, then reads can be safely moved before write
      barriers without looking at block numbers.

-- Jamie

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-06-22 11:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-22  3:53 barriers vs. reads Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22  7:39 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22  7:50   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22  7:55     ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22  8:34       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 10:08         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 11:28       ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2004-06-22 11:32         ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 17:12           ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-22 20:53             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-23 16:41               ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-23 16:52                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-23 16:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-23 21:08                   ` Bryan Henderson
2004-06-23 23:23                   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 13:43                     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-24 14:32                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-06-24 17:05                       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 18:53           ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 19:57             ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-22 23:13               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 20:57             ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 23:10               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-23  0:14                 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-23  6:27                 ` Jens Axboe
2004-06-22 18:45         ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-22 19:07           ` Guy
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-06-24  0:48 Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24  3:39 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24  8:00   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-06-24 12:16     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 13:36   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-06-24 17:02     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-06-24 16:39 ` Steve Lord

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