From: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>
To: Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@in.ibm.com>
Cc: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>,
Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
Ravikiran G Thirumalai <kiran@in.ibm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Lock free fd lookup
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:34:08 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040715093408.A1924@build.pdx.osdl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040715161054.GB3957@in.ibm.com>; from dipankar@in.ibm.com on Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 09:40:54PM +0530
* Dipankar Sarma (dipankar@in.ibm.com) wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:22:53AM -0400, Jesse Barnes wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:17 am, Chris Wright wrote:
> > > I'm curious, how much of the performance improvement is from RCU usage
> > > vs. making the basic syncronization primitive aware of a reader and
> > > writer distinction? Do you have benchmark for simply moving to rwlock_t?
> >
> > That's a good point. Also, even though the implementation may be 'lockless',
> > there are still a lot of cachelines bouncing around, whether due to atomic
> > counters or cmpxchg (in fact the latter will be worse than simple atomics).
>
> Chris raises an interesting issue. There are two ways we can benefit from
> lock-free lookup - avoidance of atomic ops in lock acquisition/release
> and avoidance of contention. The latter can also be provided by
> rwlocks in read-mostly situations like this, but rwlock still has
> two atomic ops for acquisition/release. So, in another
> thread, I have suggested looking into the contention angle. IIUC,
> tiobench is threaded and shares fd table.
Given the read heavy assumption that RCU makes (supported by your
benchmarks), I believe that the comparison with RCU vs. current scheme
is unfair. Better comparison is against rwlock_t, which may give a
similar improvement w/out the added complexity. But, I haven't a patch
nor a benchmark, so it's all handwavy at this point.
thanks,
-chris
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-07-15 16:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-07-14 4:53 [RFC] Refcounting of objects part of a lockfree collection Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-14 4:56 ` [RFC] Lock free fd lookup Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-14 15:17 ` Chris Wright
2004-07-15 14:22 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-15 16:10 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-15 16:22 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-07-15 16:34 ` Chris Wright [this message]
2004-07-16 5:38 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-16 6:27 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-07-17 0:55 ` Keith Owens
2004-07-17 1:19 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-07-17 2:12 ` Keith Owens
2004-07-17 2:34 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-07-17 2:28 ` Keith Owens
2004-07-17 3:16 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-07-17 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2004-07-14 7:07 ` [RFC] Refcounting of objects part of a lockfree collection Greg KH
2004-07-14 8:26 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-14 14:26 ` Greg KH
2004-07-14 15:22 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-14 17:03 ` Greg KH
2004-07-14 17:49 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-14 18:03 ` Greg KH
2004-07-15 6:21 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-15 6:56 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-14 8:57 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-14 17:08 ` Greg KH
2004-07-14 18:17 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-15 8:02 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
2004-07-15 9:36 ` Dipankar Sarma
2004-07-16 14:32 ` Greg KH
2004-07-16 15:50 ` Ravikiran G Thirumalai
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-07-17 8:50 [RFC] Lock free fd lookup Manfred Spraul
2004-07-17 9:30 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-07-17 19:17 Albert Cahalan
2004-07-29 0:14 ` William Lee Irwin III
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