From: V13 <v13@priest.com>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: mj@ucw.cz, James.Bottomley@steeleye.com, axboe@suse.de,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 20:37:18 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408072037.23081.v13@priest.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408071217.i77CHUKm006973@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de>
On Saturday 07 August 2004 15:17, Joerg Schilling wrote:
> From the > 20 platforms that libscg provides abstractions from, _most_
>
> platforms do not allow the "UNIX" /dev/something method to work with
> Generic SCSI:
>
[listt #1]
>
> These are the platforms where /dev/something could work:
>
[list #2]
>
> As you see, the vast majority does not allow the adressing method the
> people on LKML seem to prefer recently.
First of all, you're comparing non-unix to unix operating systems and you're
trying to create a universal naming scheme. At exactly the same time, those
operating systems that you're refering to are not able to distinguish between
two identical USB recorders.
So, lets say for windows, you believe that when having two identical USB CDRs
plugged in, it is better for the user to refer to them as 1,0,0 and 1,1,0
instead of K: and L: ? For me none of this makes sense, but I believe that
the user will prefer the letter naming scheme.
I believe that X:Y:Z makes sense when dealing with devices that can have an ID
by attaching a jumper but not for the 2004 devices.
My point is that you cannot blame linux for beeing correct. The behaviour of
the OSes that you're describing may be portable but is not user friendly or
correct (in fact, it can be called broken).
I believe that if you were trying to create a new naming scheme you'd create
something similar to /udev. You'd use names for devices and let the user or
other programs associate those names to each hardware device instead of using
numbers that some times are fixed and some times are changing between each
boot.
You've created a great tool that is used by almost every non-windows user out
here and it would be great if you could try to make it more usable and
'correct'.
<<V13>>
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2004-08-07 12:17 PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 16:37 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:18 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:19 ` Frediano Ziglio
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2004-08-09 8:13 ` Thomas Richter
2004-08-09 11:44 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-09 10:53 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-09 12:07 ` Måns Rullgård
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2004-08-21 15:01 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-21 15:57 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-21 21:42 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 11:56 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:14 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:52 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-22 13:05 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:38 ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 15:11 ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 18:09 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-22 13:13 ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 16:00 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:32 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 17:18 ` Christer Weinigel
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2004-08-10 19:01 ` Adrian Bunk
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