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From: Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: axboe@suse.de, James.Bottomley@steeleye.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:04:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040809140426.142dc4eb.skraw@ithnet.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408091013.i79ADQK0008995@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de>

On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 12:13:26 +0200 (CEST)
Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> wrote:

> If you like to call the Sun developers and the FreeBSD developers (which
> means people like Bill Joy and Scott Mcusick) stupid, you seem to have a real
> strange idea from the world :-(

Please stop throwing names as supporters into the ring that very likely are not
listening! This is pretty bad style...
 
> AGAIN: if you believe you did invent a better method, _describe_ it.
> As you did not describe a _working_ method different from the one I request,
> you need to agree that you are wrong - as long as your description is
> missing.

You obviously did not get the basics of the whole story, did you? I really
wonder how you came this far.
_You_ are writing code that should be - according to _your_ idea - platform
independent. If you do something like this it is most obvious that your code
falls mainly into two pieces: 
a) platform-independent code
b) glue code to the specific host/platform
You have full control over a) and certain unbreakable external requirements for
b).
Listening to your posts makes me wonder what your intention really is. Linux
should be only another host/platform for a new set of glue code, but it seems
you are unable to produce a working code. Instead of listening to people
_knowing_ the platform _you_ tell _them_ how they should change their code to
match your ideas.
You definitely should give a damn about the platform being well-designed or
worse, the only really interesting thing for you should be how to fit into it.
If you did it right glueing should only be about 5-10% of your whole code.
And you should be able to specify some interface for people writing glue code
for your application.
Neither you do. So what do you want _at all_ ??

Understand this: _nobody_ expects you to know everything about 25 different
OS's, the only thing that can be expected is that you simply listen to the
different parties knowing the different platforms and _take their advice_,
really not more.

Please stop being blinded by your very own glory...
People are only trying to help you.

Regards,
Stephan
(written portable driver code for: AmigaOS, DOS, Linux, Netware 3.X, 4.X,
Some Unix's, Windows 3.X, NT4, XP)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-08-09 12:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 394+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-09 10:13 PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:21 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:01   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-09 11:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 12:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski [this message]
2004-08-09 12:12   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:06 ` Jesse Stockall
2004-08-10  9:12 ` Matthias Andree
     [not found] <2ptdY-42Y-55@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <2uPdM-380-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <2uUwL-6VP-11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]     ` <2uWfh-8jo-29@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]       ` <2uXl0-Gt-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]         ` <2vge2-63k-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]           ` <2vgQF-6Ai-39@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]             ` <2vipq-7O8-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]               ` <2vj2b-8md-9@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                 ` <2vDtS-bq-19@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-08-21 15:01                   ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-21 15:57                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-21 21:42                       ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 11:56                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:14                         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:52                           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-22 13:05                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:38                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 15:11                           ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 18:09                             ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-22 13:13                         ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 16:00                           ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:32                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 17:18                               ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 20:27                               ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-08-22 21:29                               ` Julien Oster
2004-08-23 11:40                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 13:15                                   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-23 18:16                               ` Kai Makisara
2004-08-24 10:22                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-24 15:34                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:33                             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:19                               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:31                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 20:47                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 22:17                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-23 12:22                                 ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-22 19:26                             ` Tonnerre
2004-08-23 20:25                               ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-23 21:01                                 ` Doug Maxey
2004-08-25 18:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-24  2:22                                 ` Nuno Silva
2004-08-22 21:27                           ` Julien Oster
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-08-13 11:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-13 12:21 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found] <20040812185302.GA18126@suse.de>
2004-08-13  2:39 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13  5:24   ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13 13:34     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13 13:48       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-13 23:50         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16  6:48           ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13  6:08   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-16 12:41   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 12:47     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16 12:51       ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 13:32         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-17  4:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-18  0:32             ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18  5:16               ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-18 13:43                 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18 14:02                   ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12  2:24 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  6:28 ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12 13:55   ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12 14:15     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12  1:57 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  4:05 ` Andre Tomt
2004-08-16 18:11 ` Tomasz Torcz
2004-08-11 11:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:48 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  7:56 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-11 14:30 ` Brian Beattie
2004-08-10 15:54 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 16:05 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-11  8:25   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 18:48 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:28 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  9:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:36 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-11  2:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-11 23:05   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 14:49 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:24   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 16:29       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 18:53         ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 19:01         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-10 20:29           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:48     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:10       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 16:47         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:52           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 13:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:05 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:03 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:00 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:05   ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-26 15:02     ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-08-26 15:19       ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-10 21:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-10 12:47 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 12:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:09 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-10 13:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-10 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:51 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 12:41 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:27 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 10:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:42 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 10:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 11:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 12:46 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-12 22:58   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10 16:28 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11  0:24   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11  3:11     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11 10:04     ` Florian Schirmer
2004-08-12 23:27       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10 10:20 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 10:19 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 15:02 ` Lenar Lõhmus
     [not found] <200408091338.i79DcauL010369@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de>
2004-08-09 21:10 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 20:22 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-09 22:59 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 23:25   ` David Lang
2004-08-10  1:01   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  4:47     ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-10  2:51       ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  7:02         ` Thomas Zimmerman
2004-08-10  8:20         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 22:59         ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-11  1:09           ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-12 22:34       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:29         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-13  7:01           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:16     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 14:33       ` Lee Revell
2004-08-10 15:04         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-10 16:09           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  0:23         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  3:07           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  7:28             ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  7:34               ` Lee Revell
2004-08-12 22:15   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10  7:59 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10  9:42   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-12 22:40     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10  9:52   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 10:03     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-10 10:07     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-10  9:48 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 22:34 ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-09 14:57 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:43 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10  9:38 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-09 14:40 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 16:26 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-09 14:38 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:44 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:23 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 15:40 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 20:52   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-09 14:13 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:21 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-09 14:21 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:12 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:21 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-12 22:10   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-13  2:34     ` Bob Tracy
2004-08-09 14:33 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 13:51 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 13:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:24 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10  9:25 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-09 13:36 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 13:54 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-09 14:17 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:24 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 12:39 ` Karol Kozimor
2004-08-09 13:00 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-09 13:01 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 14:07   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:36 ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-09 12:10 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 12:05 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:03 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-09 11:58 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:32 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 11:56 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:42 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-09 11:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 11:53 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 10:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:39 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-08 16:40 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-08  8:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 19:53 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-07 23:16 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-07 12:17 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 16:37 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:18 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:19 ` Frediano Ziglio
2004-08-07 17:37 ` V13
2004-08-09  8:13 ` Thomas Richter
2004-08-09 11:44   ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-09 10:53 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-09 12:07   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-07 11:28 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 11:40 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-08  5:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-08-08 13:39     ` Thomas Molina
2004-08-07 12:54 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-08-07 10:53 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 11:19 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-08  4:07 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-07  0:01 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07  0:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 17:26   ` Tim Wright
2004-08-08 21:42     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-08-12 21:11     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 21:10       ` Martin Mares
2004-08-12 22:44       ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-07  2:11 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-07 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 22:41   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 23:19   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-08  2:33     ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-08  7:47       ` David Weinehall
2004-08-08  9:17         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-06 20:26 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-06 23:35 ` Bernd Schubert
2004-08-06 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:25 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:48 ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-06 13:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:11 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:16 ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-06 13:30 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 15:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:41   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10  8:50     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 10:11     ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 10:12       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 11:02         ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 11:49       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 13:29         ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11 22:37           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-06 23:15 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 10:31   ` V13
2004-08-12 21:03     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-08 16:45 ` James Bottomley
2004-08-08 17:31 ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-06 10:18 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 10:42 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 11:37   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 17:59 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-08-06 22:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-08-08 11:15     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-08 18:58       ` Julien Oster
2004-08-06  8:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06  9:01 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-08-06  9:14 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-06 10:40 ` DervishD
2004-08-06 22:42   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-08-10  8:15 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-06  8:14 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06  8:24 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-06  8:28 ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-06  8:09 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 13:48 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 15:00 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-07 15:00   ` James Bottomley
2004-08-07 15:33     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-08-05 12:49 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:57 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 16:40 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-05 12:30 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:38 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:47   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:25 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:29 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 16:45 ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-05 17:32   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-05 12:22 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 11:53 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:05 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 11:50 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-04 12:33 H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-04 12:43 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-04 12:58   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:56     ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:47       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:25   ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:43     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-19  7:04 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-19 11:12   ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-19 11:32   ` Lee Revell
2004-08-19 11:43     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-19 12:06     ` Diego Calleja
2004-08-19 13:04       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:10         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-23  9:09           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 21:25         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-19 12:42   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 12:41     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 14:34       ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20  8:02         ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:05           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 16:43             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 14:35       ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 13:10     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 13:38       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 13:56         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:03           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14             ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:45               ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 15:00                 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:04                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 15:14                     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:18                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32                         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 18:25                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-19 15:07               ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-19 15:16                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:30                   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 15:28                   ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-08-20 16:37                     ` Julien Oster
2004-08-19 15:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 16:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2004-08-19 17:41                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 14:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-08-19 15:29           ` Andreas Jaeger
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0408191909570.23309@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-08-20 13:40         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14     ` Gerd Knorr
2004-08-19 14:32     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 14:32       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 16:00         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-19 16:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32             ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 23:02               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 13:37               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:49                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:13                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:59             ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:41               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:09                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:55                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:24                 ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-20 14:37                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:05                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-20 19:28                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-20 20:30                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-20 22:05                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-20 23:30                   ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-08-21  6:58                   ` David Greaves
2004-08-21  7:49                     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-21  9:04                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-21 11:19                         ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-22 10:44                         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:09                           ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-21 11:06                     ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-21 12:17                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-19 17:24           ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 18:06           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 19:19             ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 22:57               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 11:22                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 11:18               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20  7:46         ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 12:45             ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:51         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 11:25           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 14:11             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:46               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-21 12:43                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                   ` <1093171538.24341.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-08-22 12:00                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 16:22   ` V13
2004-08-21  3:31 ` Patrick McFarland

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