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From: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>
To: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: der.eremit@email.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 11:11:32 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200408221511.i7MFBW2I002954@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Message from Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>  of "Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:14:08 +0200." <41288E10.nail9MX3BDIPM@burner>

Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> said:

[...]

> And the wrong decision could have even be avoided if people did contact me
> before they did act....

Exactly! They should also contact me and ask politely each time they
consider a change if I'd allow it. Really. The nerve these guys have.
Unbelievable.

In the end, I'd only say that I've been on LKML for a long, long time
(since it started, more or less). And each single time the head hackers
agreed on something, and there was a single dissenter, the dissenter was in
the wrong. Sure, this time could be different, but I have seen absolutely
no (yes, _no_) evidence here to the contrary.

The kernel changed, badly conceived interfases were (somewhat, perhaps
broken in another way) fixed. Some applications that depended on the
brokenness don't work now. Tough luck, fix the applications and
(optionally) ask _politely_, with _detailed discussion_, perhaps propose a
better fix for the kernel. Just whining that the application broke during
its "code freeze" won't get you anywhere (you just can't expect to hold the
kernel hostage to your random, mostly unrelated, program's development
schedule; that model just won't get anywhere real fast). 

Treating everybody as ignorant morons isn't exactly the best way to be
heard. And in this case there is ample evidence on hand that they are very
smart people who usually are right in regards to the techical matters they
have in their hands.

I.e., you are making a fool of yourself here.
-- 
Dr. Horst H. von Brand                   User #22616 counter.li.org
Departamento de Informatica                     Fono: +56 32 654431
Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria              +56 32 654239
Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile                Fax:  +56 32 797513

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2004-08-21 15:01                   ` PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-21 15:57                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-21 21:42                       ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 11:56                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:14                         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 12:52                           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-22 13:05                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:38                               ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 15:11                           ` Horst von Brand [this message]
2004-08-22 18:09                             ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-22 13:13                         ` Pascal Schmidt
2004-08-22 16:00                           ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:32                             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 17:18                               ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 19:22                                 ` DTrace-like analysis possible with future Linux kernels? Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 20:27                               ` PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-08-22 21:29                               ` Julien Oster
2004-08-23 11:40                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 13:15                                   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-23 18:16                               ` Kai Makisara
2004-08-24 10:22                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-24 15:34                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 16:33                             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 16:19                               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:31                                 ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-22 20:47                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 22:17                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-23 12:22                                 ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-22 19:26                             ` Tonnerre
2004-08-22 20:14                               ` DTrace-like analysis possible with future Linux kernels? Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 20:33                                 ` Tonnerre
2004-08-22 20:38                                   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 20:43                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 21:37                                     ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-23 11:44                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 17:40                                 ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-23 20:25                               ` PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Bill Davidsen
2004-08-23 21:01                                 ` Doug Maxey
2004-08-25 18:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-24  2:22                                 ` Nuno Silva
2004-08-31 22:22                             ` (was: Re: PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices) John Myers
2004-09-02  9:44                               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-09-02 13:49                                 ` John Myers
2004-09-02 15:40                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-22 21:27                           ` PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Julien Oster
2004-08-13 11:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-13 12:21 ` Andreas Schwab
     [not found] <20040812185302.GA18126@suse.de>
2004-08-13  2:39 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13  5:24   ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13 13:34     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-13 13:48       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-13 23:50         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16  6:48           ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-13  6:08   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-16 12:41   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 12:47     ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-16 12:51       ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-16 13:32         ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-17  4:01           ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-18  0:32             ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18  5:16               ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-18 13:43                 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-18 14:02                   ` Frank Steiner
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2004-08-12  2:24 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  6:28 ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12 13:55   ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12 14:15     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-12  1:57 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-08-12  4:05 ` Andre Tomt
2004-08-16 18:11 ` Tomasz Torcz
2004-08-11 11:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:48 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 21:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  7:56 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-11 14:30 ` Brian Beattie
2004-08-10 15:54 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:44 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 16:05 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-11  8:25   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 18:48 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:28 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-11  9:34 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:15 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:25 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:36 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-11  2:17 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-11 23:05   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-10 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 14:49 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 15:24   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 15:33     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 16:29       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 18:53         ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 19:01         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-10 20:29           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 15:48     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:10       ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 16:47         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 16:52           ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-10 13:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:05 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:03 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 15:00 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 15:05   ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-26 15:02     ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-08-26 15:19       ` Chris Meadors
2004-08-10 21:02 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-10 12:47 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10 12:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:09 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-10 13:18 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-10 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 13:51 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 12:41 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:27 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 10:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 13:42 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10 10:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 11:57 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 12:46 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-12 22:58   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10 16:28 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11  0:24   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11  3:11     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-11 10:04     ` Florian Schirmer
2004-08-12 23:27       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10 10:20 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 10:19 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10 12:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-10 15:02 ` Lenar Lõhmus
     [not found] <200408091338.i79DcauL010369@burner.fokus.fraunhofer.de>
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2004-08-09 23:25   ` David Lang
2004-08-10  1:01   ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  4:47     ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-10  2:51       ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-10  7:02         ` Thomas Zimmerman
2004-08-10  8:20         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 22:59         ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-11  1:09           ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-12 22:34       ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:29         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-13  7:01           ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:16     ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 14:33       ` Lee Revell
2004-08-10 15:04         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-10 16:09           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  0:23         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  3:07           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-11  7:28             ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-11  7:34               ` Lee Revell
2004-08-12 22:15   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-10  7:59 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-10  9:42   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-12 22:40     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 23:10       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10  9:52   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 10:03     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-10 10:07     ` Prakash K. Cheemplavam
2004-08-10  9:48 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10 22:34 ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-09 14:57 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:43 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-10  9:38 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-09 14:40 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:51 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 16:26 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-09 14:38 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:44 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:27 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:31 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:23 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 15:40 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 20:52   ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-09 14:13 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:21 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-09 14:21 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:12 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:21 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-12 22:10   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-13  2:34     ` Bob Tracy
2004-08-09 14:33 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 13:51 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:08 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 13:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:24 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-10  9:25 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-09 13:36 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 13:54 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-09 14:17 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:24 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 12:39 ` Karol Kozimor
2004-08-09 13:00 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-09 13:01 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 14:07   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 14:36 ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-09 12:10 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 12:05 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:03 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-09 11:58 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 14:32 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-09 11:56 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:42 ` Albert Cahalan
2004-08-09 11:46 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 11:53 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 10:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:39 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-09 10:13 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-09 10:21 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:01   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-09 11:09 ` Con Kolivas
2004-08-09 12:04 ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-09 12:12   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-09 12:06 ` Jesse Stockall
2004-08-10  9:12 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-08 16:40 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-08  8:21 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 19:53 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-07 23:16 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-07 12:51 Linux Kernel bug report (includes fix) Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 13:26 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-07 19:32   ` Bernd Schubert
2004-08-08  1:18 ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-08  5:22   ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-08-07 12:17 PATCH: cdrecord: avoiding scsi device numbering for ide devices Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 16:37 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:18 ` Nicholas Miell
2004-08-07 17:19 ` Frediano Ziglio
2004-08-07 17:37 ` V13
2004-08-09  8:13 ` Thomas Richter
2004-08-09 11:44   ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-09 10:53 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-09 12:07   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-07 11:28 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 11:40 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-08  5:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-08-08 13:39     ` Thomas Molina
2004-08-07 12:54 ` Jesper Juhl
2004-08-07 10:53 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07 11:19 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-08  4:07 ` Paul Jakma
2004-08-07  0:01 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-07  0:14 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 17:26   ` Tim Wright
2004-08-08 21:42     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-08-12 21:11     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-12 21:10       ` Martin Mares
2004-08-12 22:44       ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-07  2:11 ` Mark Lord
2004-08-07 22:08 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 22:41   ` Alan Cox
2004-08-07 23:19   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-08  2:33     ` Jan Knutar
2004-08-08  7:47       ` David Weinehall
2004-08-08  9:17         ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-06 20:26 Albert Cahalan
2004-08-06 23:35 ` Bernd Schubert
2004-08-06 14:20 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:25 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:48 ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-06 13:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 14:11 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 14:16 ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-06 13:30 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 15:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10  8:41   ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-10  8:50     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 10:11     ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 10:12       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-10 11:02         ` Erik Mouw
2004-08-10 11:49       ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-10 13:29         ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-11 22:37           ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-06 23:15 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-07 10:31   ` V13
2004-08-12 21:03     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-08-08 16:45 ` James Bottomley
2004-08-08 17:31 ` Eric Lammerts
2004-08-06 10:18 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06 10:42 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 11:37   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-06 17:59 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2004-08-06 22:47   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-08-08 11:15     ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-08 18:58       ` Julien Oster
2004-08-06  8:33 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06  9:01 ` Eduard Bloch
2004-08-06  9:14 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-06 10:40 ` DervishD
2004-08-06 22:42   ` H. Peter Anvin
2004-08-10  8:15 ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-06  8:14 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-06  8:24 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-06  8:28 ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-06  8:09 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 13:48 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 15:00 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-07 15:00   ` James Bottomley
2004-08-07 15:33     ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-08-05 12:49 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:57 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:45 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 16:40 ` David Woodhouse
2004-08-05 12:30 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:38 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:47   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 12:25 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:29 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 16:45 ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-05 17:32   ` Måns Rullgård
2004-08-05 12:22 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 11:53 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-05 12:05 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05 11:50 Joerg Schilling
2004-08-04 12:33 H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-04 12:43 ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-04 12:58   ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:56     ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:47       ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-05  0:25   ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-05  5:43     ` Jens Axboe
2004-08-19  7:04 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-19 11:12   ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-19 11:32   ` Lee Revell
2004-08-19 11:43     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-19 12:06     ` Diego Calleja
2004-08-19 13:04       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:10         ` Stephan von Krawczynski
2004-08-23  9:09           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-23 21:25         ` Adrian Bunk
2004-08-19 12:42   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 12:41     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 14:34       ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20  8:02         ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:05           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 16:43             ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 14:35       ` Christer Weinigel
2004-08-19 13:10     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 13:38       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 13:56         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:03           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14             ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 14:45               ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 15:00                 ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:04                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 15:14                     ` Martin Mares
2004-08-19 15:18                       ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32                         ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 18:25                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-19 15:07               ` Matthias Andree
2004-08-19 15:16                 ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:30                   ` Martin Mares
2004-08-20 15:28                   ` Andreas Jaeger
2004-08-20 16:37                     ` Julien Oster
2004-08-19 15:36                 ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 16:00                   ` Paul Rolland
2004-08-19 17:41                     ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-19 14:29             ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-08-19 15:29           ` Andreas Jaeger
     [not found]       ` <Pine.LNX.4.60.0408191909570.23309@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk>
2004-08-20 13:40         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 14:14     ` Gerd Knorr
2004-08-19 14:32     ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-19 14:32       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 16:00         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-19 16:07           ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:32             ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 23:02               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 13:37               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:49                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:13                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 17:59             ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:41               ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:09                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 13:55                 ` Patrick McFarland
2004-08-20 14:24                 ` H.Rosmanith (Kernel Mailing List)
2004-08-20 14:37                   ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 15:05                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-08-20 19:28                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2004-08-20 20:30                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-08-20 22:05                 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-20 23:30                   ` Andreas Steinmetz
2004-08-21  6:58                   ` David Greaves
2004-08-21  7:49                     ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-21  9:04                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-21 11:19                         ` Marc Ballarin
2004-08-22 10:44                         ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 17:09                           ` Adam Sampson
2004-08-21 11:06                     ` Xavier Bestel
2004-08-21 12:17                       ` David Greaves
2004-08-19 17:24           ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-19 18:06           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-19 19:19             ` Mark Lord
2004-08-19 22:57               ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-08-20 11:22                 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 11:18               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20  7:46         ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:23           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 12:45             ` Frank Steiner
2004-08-20 11:51         ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 11:25           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-20 14:11             ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-20 13:46               ` Alan Cox
2004-08-21 12:43                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                   ` <1093171538.24341.24.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-08-22 12:00                     ` Joerg Schilling
2004-08-19 16:22   ` V13
2004-08-21  3:31 ` Patrick McFarland

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