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From: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:36:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411051736.24731.jbarnes@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <418C2861.6030501@cyberone.com.au>

On Friday, November 05, 2004 5:26 pm, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >If you move it in kswapd there's no way to prevent oom-killing from a
> >syscall allocation (I guess even right now it would go wrong in this
> >sense, but at least right now it's more fixable). I want to move the oom
> >kill outside the alloc_page paths. The oom killing is all about the page
> >faults not having a fail path, and in turn the oom killing should be
> >moved in the page fault code, not in the allocator. Everything else
> >should keep returning -ENOMEM to the caller.
>
> Probably a good idea. OTOH, some kernel allocations might really
> need to be performed and have no failure path. For example __GFP_REPEAT.

Ah, I see what you're saying, yes, that makes even more sense :)

> I think maybe __GFP_REPEAT allocations at least should be able to
> cause an OOM. Not sure though.
>
> >So to me moving the oom killer into kswapd looks a regression.
>
> Also, I think it would do the wrong thing on NUMA machines because
> that has a per-node kswapd.

Yep, Andrea's explaination is clear, I just had to read it a few times.  
Anyway, the fixes I posted are still necessary I think.

Thanks,
Jesse

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From: Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@novell.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2004 17:36:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200411051736.24731.jbarnes@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <418C2861.6030501@cyberone.com.au>

On Friday, November 05, 2004 5:26 pm, Nick Piggin wrote:
> >If you move it in kswapd there's no way to prevent oom-killing from a
> >syscall allocation (I guess even right now it would go wrong in this
> >sense, but at least right now it's more fixable). I want to move the oom
> >kill outside the alloc_page paths. The oom killing is all about the page
> >faults not having a fail path, and in turn the oom killing should be
> >moved in the page fault code, not in the allocator. Everything else
> >should keep returning -ENOMEM to the caller.
>
> Probably a good idea. OTOH, some kernel allocations might really
> need to be performed and have no failure path. For example __GFP_REPEAT.

Ah, I see what you're saying, yes, that makes even more sense :)

> I think maybe __GFP_REPEAT allocations at least should be able to
> cause an OOM. Not sure though.
>
> >So to me moving the oom killer into kswapd looks a regression.
>
> Also, I think it would do the wrong thing on NUMA machines because
> that has a per-node kswapd.

Yep, Andrea's explaination is clear, I just had to read it a few times.  
Anyway, the fixes I posted are still necessary I think.

Thanks,
Jesse
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-06  1:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-05 20:01 [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-05 20:01 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-05 23:32 ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-05 23:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-05 23:47     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06  1:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  1:20     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  1:26     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06  1:26       ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06  1:36       ` Jesse Barnes [this message]
2004-11-06  1:36         ` Jesse Barnes
2004-11-06  1:50       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  1:50         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06  9:47         ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06  9:47           ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 10:53           ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 10:53             ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-06 15:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:21             ` Hugh Dickins
2004-11-06 16:21               ` Hugh Dickins
2004-12-10  6:02               ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-12-10  6:02                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-11-06 11:37         ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 11:37           ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 15:32           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:32             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 16:54             ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 16:54               ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 17:44               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 17:44                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 19:24                 ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-06 19:24                   ` Nikita Danilov
2004-11-07  1:16                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07  1:16                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 10:11       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 10:11         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06  1:55     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06  1:55       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-06 10:28       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 10:28         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-17 22:54       ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-17 22:54         ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-17 23:27         ` Chris Ross
2004-11-17 23:27           ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  0:04           ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  0:04             ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  0:28             ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  0:28               ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  1:14               ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  1:14                 ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18  8:20                 ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18  8:20                   ` Chris Ross
2004-11-18 10:01                   ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 10:01                     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-18 14:44                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-18 14:44                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2004-11-18 15:10                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-18 15:10                         ` Chris Friesen
2004-11-06 10:05     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 10:05       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 15:44       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:44         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-06 15:52         ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-06 15:52           ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-11-06 17:09         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 17:09           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07  0:48           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07  0:48             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-11-07 11:21             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07 11:21               ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 12:53 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 12:53   ` Andries Brouwer
2004-11-06 10:41   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-06 10:41     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-07  9:26   ` Marko Macek
2004-11-07  9:26     ` Marko Macek
2004-11-07 11:34     ` memory overcommit (was: [PATCH] Remove OOM killer ...) Anton Ertl
2004-11-08 16:27 ` [PATCH] Remove OOM killer from try_to_free_pages / all_unreclaimable braindamage Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-08 16:27   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-08 18:55   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09  2:22     ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-09  2:35       ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-09  2:46         ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-09  7:18           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-09  7:15         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2004-11-10  1:11           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found] <fa.ev73q5c.ejcnom@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.es1mdq5.76ib8j@ifi.uio.no>
2004-11-18 20:48   ` Bodo Eggert
2004-11-18 21:15     ` Werner Almesberger
2004-11-19  1:05       ` Bodo Eggert
2004-11-19  0:15     ` Andreas Dilger

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