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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, riel@redhat.com,
	marcelo.tosatti@cyclades.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 06:17:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050106051707.GP4597@dualathlon.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050105210539.19807337.akpm@osdl.org>

On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 09:05:39PM -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de> wrote:
> >
> > The fix is very simple and it is to call wait_on_page_writeback on one
> >  of the pages under writeback.
> 
> eek, no.  That was causing waits of five seconds or more.  Fixing this
> caused the single greatest improvement in page allocator latency in early
> 2.5.  We're totally at the mercy of the elevator algorithm this way.
> 
> If we're to improve things in there we want to wait on _any_ eligible page
> becoming reclaimable, not on a particular page.

I told you one way to fix it. I didn't guarantee it was the most
efficient one.

I sure agree waiting on any page to complete writeback is going to fix
it too. Exactly because this page was a "random" page anyway.

Still my point is that this is a bug, and I prefer to be slow and safe
like 2.4, than fast and unreliable like 2.6.

The slight improvement you suggested of waiting on _any_ random
PG_writeback to go away (instead of one particular one as I did in 2.4)
is going to fix the write throttling equally too as well as the 2.4
logic, but without introducing slowdown that 2.4 had.

It's easy to demonstrate: exactly because the page we pick is random
anyway, we can pick the first random one that has seen PG_writeback
transitioning from 1 to 0. The guarantee we get is the same in terms of
safety of the write throttling, but we also guarantee the best possible
latency this way. And the HZ/x hacks to avoid deadlocks will magically
go away too.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-06  5:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-01-03 17:25 [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 10:08 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 18:06   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 18:50     ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-05 17:49       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 21:44         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 20:32           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2005-01-05 23:51             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:27               ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  1:33                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:37                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  1:40                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  1:52                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  1:36                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  3:42                   ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  3:50                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:26                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:35                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  4:47                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  4:55                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:03                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  8:06                               ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:16                                 ` memory barrier in ll_rw_blk.c (was Re: [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned) Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  8:32                                   ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  8:53                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06 12:00                                       ` Jens Axboe
2005-01-06  4:59                             ` [PATCH][5/?] count writeback pages in nr_scanned Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:05                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:17                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2005-01-06  5:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:25                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:36                                       ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:44                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:37                                       ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06 13:28                                         ` Rik van Riel
2005-01-06  5:32                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  5:46                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:59                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-06  6:16                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-06  5:06                               ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-06  5:21                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-05 23:26 ` Andrew Morton

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