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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
To: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: linux@horizon.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, sct@redhat.com
Subject: Re: msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch?
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 20:13:33 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20060209201333.62db0e24.akpm@osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43EC0F3F.1000805@yahoo.com.au>

Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>  I don't think anyone would use MS_ASYNC for anything other than
>  performance improvement, so it is not like we need super well
>  defined behaviour... the earlier it will start IO AFAIKS the better.

Well, no.  Consider a continuously-running application which modifies its
data store via MAP_SHARED+msync(MS_ASYNC).  If the msync() immediately
started I/O, the disk would be seeking all over the place all the time.  The
queue merging and timer-based unplugging would help here, but it won't be
as good as a big, infrequent ascending-file-offset pdflush pass.

Secondly, consider the behaviour of the above application if it is modifying
the same page relatively frequently (quite likely).  If MS_ASYNC starts I/O
immediately, that page will get written 10, 100 or 1000 times per second. 
If MS_ASYNC leaves it to pdflush, that page gets written once per 30
seconds, so we do far much less I/O.

We just don't know.  It's better to leave it up to the application designer
rather than lumping too many operations into the one syscall.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-02-10  4:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-09  7:18 msync() behaviour broken for MS_ASYNC, revert patch? linux
2006-02-09  8:18 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09  8:35   ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09  8:42     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09 12:38       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 12:39       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-09 17:48         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  3:36           ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  3:50             ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  3:57               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  4:13                 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2006-02-10  4:30                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  4:43                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  4:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  5:13                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  5:29                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  5:50                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  6:03                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  6:13                                 ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  6:31                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  6:46                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10  6:57                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  7:14                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 12:41                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 16:19                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:00                                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 17:12                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:35                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:59                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 18:55                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:29                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 19:44                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:52                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 20:03                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-11  5:49                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 16:05                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 16:37                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 17:03                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 17:37                                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 18:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 18:38                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 19:05                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 19:34                                                       ` Oliver Neukum
2006-02-10 19:59                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 20:11                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 21:15                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 21:28                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-10 20:03                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10 21:10                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 21:55                                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 22:46                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 23:02                                                               ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 23:15                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-11 19:07                                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2006-02-10 17:29                                           ` linux
2006-02-10 17:42                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-02-10 18:57                                               ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  8:00                                       ` linux
2006-02-10 13:18                                         ` Nick Piggin
2006-02-10  7:15                   ` linux
2006-02-10  7:28                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-02-09 11:18   ` linux
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-03-31 22:16 Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 22:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-31 22:37   ` Linus Torvalds
2004-03-31 23:41   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 23:41     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01  0:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01  0:08       ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01  0:30       ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-01  0:30         ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 15:40       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 15:40         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:02         ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01 16:02           ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-01 16:33           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:33             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:19         ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 16:19           ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-01 16:57           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 16:57             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-01 18:51         ` Andrew Morton
2004-04-01 18:51           ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-31 22:53 ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-31 22:53   ` Andrew Morton
2004-03-31 23:20   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-03-31 23:20     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-16 22:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-16 22:35   ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-19 21:54   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-19 21:54     ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-21  2:10     ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-21  2:10       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-04-21  9:52       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2004-04-21  9:52         ` Stephen C. Tweedie

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