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From: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
To: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
Cc: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>,
	Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes.
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:11:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200610261111.30486.rjw@sisk.pl> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061026085700.GI8394166@melbourne.sgi.com>

Hi,

On Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:57, David Chinner wrote:
> Hi Nigel,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2006 at 06:18:29PM +1000, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 17:30 +1000, David Chinner wrote:
> > > We have daemons running in the background that can definitely do stuff
> > > after a sync. hmm - one does try_to_freeze() after a wakeup, the
> > > other does:
> > > 
> > >                 if (unlikely(freezing(current))) {
> > >                         set_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
> > >                         refrigerator();
> > >                 } else {
> > >                         clear_bit(XBT_FORCE_SLEEP, &target->bt_flags);
> > >                 }
> > > 
> > > before it goes to sleep. So that one (xfsbufd - metadata buffer flushing)
> > > can definitely wake up after the sync and do work, and the other could if
> > > the kernel thread freeze occurs after the sync.
> > > 
> > > Another good question at this point - exactly how should we be putting
> > > these thread to to sleep? Are both these valid methods for freezing them?
> > > And should we be freezing when we wake up instead of before we go to
> > > sleep? i.e. what are teh rules we are supposed to be following?
> > 
> > As you have them at the moment, the threads seem to be freezing fine.
> > The issue I've seen in the past related not to threads but to timer
> > based activity. Admittedly it was 2.6.14 when I last looked at it, but
> > there used to be a possibility for XFS to submit I/O from a timer when
> > the threads are frozen but the bdev isn't frozen. Has that changed?
> 
> I didn't think we've ever done that - periodic or delayed operations
> are passed off to the kernel threads to execute. A stack trace
> (if you still have it) would be really help here.
> 
> Hmmm - we have a couple of per-cpu work queues as well that are
> used on I/O completion and that can, in some circumstances,
> trigger new transactions. If we are only flush metadata, then
> I don't think that any more I/o will be issued, but I could be
> wrong (maze of twisty passages).

Well, I think this exactly is the problem, because worker_threads run with
PF_NOFREEZE set (as I've just said in another message).

Greetings,
Rafael


-- 
You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
		R. Buckminster Fuller

  reply	other threads:[~2006-10-26  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-10-23  4:12 [PATCH] Freeze bdevs when freezing processes Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-23 10:36 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-23 12:09   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-23 14:07     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-23 14:15       ` Nick Piggin
2006-10-23 14:20         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-23 23:05           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-23 16:55       ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 17:14         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-23 17:50           ` Andrew Morton
2006-10-23 18:06             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-23 19:19             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-23 22:52               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-24  7:57                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24  8:21                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-23 21:39             ` Matthew Garrett
2006-10-23 22:12               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24  7:58               ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-23 22:58             ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-24  8:01               ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-23 23:22       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-24  8:37         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 14:44   ` David Chinner
2006-10-24 15:29     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 16:20       ` Oleg Verych
2006-10-24 16:27         ` Oleg Verych
2006-10-24 17:08         ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-25  8:05         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 16:33       ` David Chinner
2006-10-24 21:37         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25  0:13           ` David Chinner
2006-10-25  8:10             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25  8:38               ` David Chinner
2006-10-25  8:47                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-25 12:32                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-25 13:23                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-25 19:05                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-26  7:30                         ` David Chinner
2006-10-26  8:18                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  8:48                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-26  8:57                             ` David Chinner
2006-10-26  9:11                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki [this message]
2006-10-27  1:38                                 ` David Chinner
2006-10-27 14:37                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-29 17:35                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-29 23:29                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-29 23:46                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  9:18                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-26  9:08                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-25  8:12             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 17:06       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 19:09         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 21:26         ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 21:33           ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-10-24 21:43             ` Pavel Machek
2006-10-24 22:19     ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-24 20:16 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-24 22:17   ` Nigel Cunningham
2006-10-24 20:38 ` Christoph Hellwig

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