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From: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org>
To: The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: multiboot2: make multiboot header optional
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 21:23:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200612052123.10177.okuji@enbug.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1165250619.30343.17.camel@basalt>

On Monday 04 December 2006 17:43, Hollis Blanchard wrote:
> It should be pretty clear that 32 bits are a finite number, and tags are
> unlimited. In fact it's worse than that, since the bit partitioning
> means we have far fewer available bits for any particular flag.

Tags are also finite, too, theoretically speaking. :p

If the number of bits is really a problem, it is even possible to make 
additional flags only when a bit in the original flags is set... Well, this 
is ugly, but this is the so-called tag structure as well, no?

Seriously, I really don't think the number of bits could be fatal. You were 
advocating removing the header itself, then why would you expect so much 
extension in the future?

> The bit numbering is also confusing, especially the partitioning of
> meanings (this is required, this is requested, this is arch-specific,
> this isn't).

I agree with this part. We can make it better.

> Finally, using flags for some things and tags for others is
> inconsistent.

I don't care. For OS developers, this inconsistency does not hurt them.

As I mentioned earlier, it is annoying to write tags by hand, while generating 
tags is as easy as parsing a fixed structure for programs. If you don't 
believe this, ask somebody else which looks easier:

.long   multiboot_header
.long   _start
.long   _edata
.long   _end
.long   multiboot_entry

or:

.long   HEADER_ADDRESS_TAG, 12, multiboot_header
.long   LOAD_START_ADDRESS_TAG, 12, _start
.long   LOAD_END_ADDRESS_TAG, 12, _edata
.long   BSS_END_ADDRESS_TAG, 12, _end
.long   ENTRY_ADDRESS_TAG, 12, multiboot_entry

>
> The extensibility argument alone is enough to seal it for me, especially
> since the code can be written in such an error-free manner, as I've
> demonstrated.

Is it a good spec which forces one to use sample code to be error-free? 

Okuji



  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-05 20:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-14 22:58 multiboot2: make multiboot header optional Hollis Blanchard
2006-11-15  8:57 ` Johan Rydberg
2006-11-15 18:42   ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-11-15 20:42     ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-15 21:39       ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-11-15 23:38         ` tgingold
2006-11-25  2:59           ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-25  3:35             ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-11-25  4:25               ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-02 16:18                 ` Marco Gerards
2006-12-02 17:27                   ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-04 16:43                     ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-12-05 20:23                       ` Yoshinori K. Okuji [this message]
2006-12-07 23:07                         ` multiboot2: using tags in the multiboot header Hollis Blanchard
2006-12-12 22:23                           ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-04 20:35                     ` multiboot2: make multiboot header optional Marco Gerards
2006-12-05 19:09                       ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-12-05 20:04                         ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-07 22:39                           ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-12-12 22:08                             ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-13  4:18                               ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-12-13 20:56                                 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-12-13 12:28                         ` Marco Gerards
2006-12-02 16:15       ` Marco Gerards
2006-12-02 17:19         ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-15 20:37 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-15 23:41   ` tgingold
2006-11-21 16:18     ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-11-21 17:35       ` tgingold
2006-11-25  3:05         ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-25  3:00     ` Yoshinori K. Okuji
2006-11-25  6:12       ` Tristan Gingold

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