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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com,
	tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/10] mm: per device dirty threshold
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:26:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070422002606.ef060060.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1177156902.2934.96.camel@lappy>

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:01:36 +0200 Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:

> On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 02:55 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > > +
> > > +		__mod_bdi_stat64(bdi, BDI_WRITEOUT, -half);
> > > +		bdi->cycles += cycle;
> > > +	}
> > > +	bdi->cycles = global_cycle;
> > > +	spin_unlock_irqrestore(&bdi->lock, flags);
> > > +}
> > 
> > Here we get to the real critical substance of the patchset, and I don't
> > have a clue what it's doing nor how it's doing it.  And I bet nobody else
> > does either.
> 
> I shall send a comment patch; but let me try to explain:
> 
> I am trying to keep a floating proportion between the BDIs based on
> writeout events.

The term "writeout event" hasn't been defined.  I assume that it refers to
something like "one call to balance_dirty_pages()".  Or maybe "one pass
through balance_dirty_pages()'s inner loop".  Or maybe something else. 
This is important, because the reader is already a bit lost.

> That is, each device is given a share equal to its
> proportion of completed writebacks

In what units are "writebacks" measured?  Pages?

> (writeback, we are in the process of
> writing vs. writeout, we have written). This proportion is measured in a
> 'time'-span measured itself in writeouts.

time is measured how?  jiffies?  Calls to balance_dirty_pages(), or passes
around its inner loop, or...

> Example:
> 
>   device A completes 4, device B completes 12 and, device C 16 writes.

writes of what?  One page??

I think you get my point ;) Please start from the top.  Define terms before
using them, always specify in what units all things are being measured,
assume *no* prior knowledge apart from general kernel-fu.


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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com,
	tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/10] mm: per device dirty threshold
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 00:26:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070422002606.ef060060.akpm@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1177156902.2934.96.camel@lappy>

On Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:01:36 +0200 Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl> wrote:

> On Sat, 2007-04-21 at 02:55 -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
>
> > > +
> > > +		__mod_bdi_stat64(bdi, BDI_WRITEOUT, -half);
> > > +		bdi->cycles += cycle;
> > > +	}
> > > +	bdi->cycles = global_cycle;
> > > +	spin_unlock_irqrestore(&bdi->lock, flags);
> > > +}
> > 
> > Here we get to the real critical substance of the patchset, and I don't
> > have a clue what it's doing nor how it's doing it.  And I bet nobody else
> > does either.
> 
> I shall send a comment patch; but let me try to explain:
> 
> I am trying to keep a floating proportion between the BDIs based on
> writeout events.

The term "writeout event" hasn't been defined.  I assume that it refers to
something like "one call to balance_dirty_pages()".  Or maybe "one pass
through balance_dirty_pages()'s inner loop".  Or maybe something else. 
This is important, because the reader is already a bit lost.

> That is, each device is given a share equal to its
> proportion of completed writebacks

In what units are "writebacks" measured?  Pages?

> (writeback, we are in the process of
> writing vs. writeout, we have written). This proportion is measured in a
> 'time'-span measured itself in writeouts.

time is measured how?  jiffies?  Calls to balance_dirty_pages(), or passes
around its inner loop, or...

> Example:
> 
>   device A completes 4, device B completes 12 and, device C 16 writes.

writes of what?  One page??

I think you get my point ;) Please start from the top.  Define terms before
using them, always specify in what units all things are being measured,
assume *no* prior knowledge apart from general kernel-fu.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-22  7:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-20 15:51 [PATCH 00/10] per device dirty throttling -v5 Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 01/10] revert per-backing_dev-dirty-and-writeback-page-accounting Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 02/10] nfs: remove congestion_end() Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 03/10] lib: dampen the percpu_counter FBC_BATCH Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 10:58     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 10:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 04/10] lib: percpu_counter_mod64 Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:02     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 11:02       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:21       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 19:21         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 19:30         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:30           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm: bdi init hooks Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: count reclaimable pages per BDI Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:04     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 11:04       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm: count writeback " Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 11:07       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-22  7:19       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-22  7:19         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-22  9:08         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-22  9:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 11:08     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 11:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm: per device dirty threshold Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-20 15:52   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21  9:55   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21  9:55     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 10:38     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 10:38       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 10:54       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 10:54         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 20:25         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-21 20:25           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-23  6:14           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23  6:14             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23  6:29             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-23  6:29               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-23  6:39               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-23  6:39                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-21 12:01     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 12:01       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 12:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 12:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-21 19:50           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 15:48         ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-23 15:48           ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-23 15:58           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 15:58             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-23 16:08             ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-23 16:08               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-04-22  7:26       ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2007-04-22  7:26         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24  2:58   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24  2:58     ` Neil Brown
2007-04-24  7:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  7:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  8:19       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24  8:19         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24  8:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  8:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  9:14           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24  9:14             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24  9:26             ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  9:26               ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24  9:47               ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24  9:47                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 10:00                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 10:00                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 10:12                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:12                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:19                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 10:19                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 10:24                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:24                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-04-24 10:40                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 10:40                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 11:22                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 11:22                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 11:50                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 11:50                           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-24 12:07                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-24 12:07                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-04-22  9:57 ` [PATCH 00/10] per device dirty throttling -v5 Andrew Morton
2007-04-22  9:57   ` Andrew Morton

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