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From: J. Bruce Fields <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: cluster-devel.redhat.com
Subject: [NFS] [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 0/4 Revised] NLM - lock failover
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:31:39 -0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070427163129.GI32278@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46321870.7000607@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 11:36:16AM -0400, Wendy Cheng wrote:
> J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 03:17:10PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >  
> >>In fact couldn't this be treated as a reexport with a NFSEXP_ flag
> >>meaning drop all locks to avoid creating new interfaces?
> >>    
> >
> >Off hand, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work.  The code to
> >handle it would probably go in fs/nfsd/export.c:svc_export_parse().
> >
> >  
> Sign :( ... folks, we go back to the loop again. That *was* my first 
> proposal ...

So you're talking about this and followups?:

	http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=115009204513790&w=2

I just took a look and couldn't find any complaints about that
approach.  Were they elsewhere?

I understand the frustration.  There's a balance betweeen on the one
hand, being willing to throw out some hard work and start over if
someone comes up with a real objection, and, on the other hand, sticking
to a design when you're convinced it's right.

I *really* appreciate good review, but I also try to avoid doing
something I don't like just because it seems to be the only way to make
somebody else happy....  If they've got a real point then I should be
able to understand it.  If not, then I risk doing all the work to make
them happy just to throw it away because I can't defend the approach in
the end, or because I find out I misunderstood their original point.

(Then again, sometimes I do just have to trust somebody.  And sometimes
I guess learning who can be trusted about what is part of the process.)

In this case I think the complaint about requiring fsid's on everything
is legimate, and the original approach of using the export was sensible.
But I haven't been paying as much attention as I should have, and I
probably missed something.

--b.



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From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Wendy Cheng <wcheng@redhat.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>,
	cluster-devel@redhat.com, nfs@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 0/4 Revised] NLM - lock failover
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:31:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070427163129.GI32278@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46321870.7000607@redhat.com>

On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 11:36:16AM -0400, Wendy Cheng wrote:
> J. Bruce Fields wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 27, 2007 at 03:17:10PM +0100, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >  
> >>In fact couldn't this be treated as a reexport with a NFSEXP_ flag
> >>meaning drop all locks to avoid creating new interfaces?
> >>    
> >
> >Off hand, I can't see any reason why that wouldn't work.  The code to
> >handle it would probably go in fs/nfsd/export.c:svc_export_parse().
> >
> >  
> Sign :( ... folks, we go back to the loop again. That *was* my first 
> proposal ...

So you're talking about this and followups?:

	http://marc.info/?l=linux-nfs&m=115009204513790&w=2

I just took a look and couldn't find any complaints about that
approach.  Were they elsewhere?

I understand the frustration.  There's a balance betweeen on the one
hand, being willing to throw out some hard work and start over if
someone comes up with a real objection, and, on the other hand, sticking
to a design when you're convinced it's right.

I *really* appreciate good review, but I also try to avoid doing
something I don't like just because it seems to be the only way to make
somebody else happy....  If they've got a real point then I should be
able to understand it.  If not, then I risk doing all the work to make
them happy just to throw it away because I can't defend the approach in
the end, or because I find out I misunderstood their original point.

(Then again, sometimes I do just have to trust somebody.  And sometimes
I guess learning who can be trusted about what is part of the process.)

In this case I think the complaint about requiring fsid's on everything
is legimate, and the original approach of using the export was sensible.
But I haven't been paying as much attention as I should have, and I
probably missed something.

--b.

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  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-27 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-05 21:50 [Cluster-devel] [PATCH 0/4 Revised] NLM - lock failover Wendy Cheng
2007-04-05 21:50 ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-11 17:01 ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-11 17:01   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-17 19:30 ` [Cluster-devel] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-17 19:30   ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-18 18:56   ` [Cluster-devel] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-18 18:56     ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-18 19:46     ` [Cluster-devel] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-18 19:46       ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-19 14:41     ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-19 14:41       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-19 15:08       ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-19 15:08         ` Wendy Cheng
     [not found]   ` <message from Wendy Cheng on Tuesday April 17>
2007-04-19  7:04     ` [Cluster-devel] " Neil Brown
2007-04-19  7:04       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-19 14:53       ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-19 14:53         ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-24  3:30       ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-24  3:30         ` Wendy Cheng
     [not found]         ` <message from Wendy Cheng on Monday April 23>
2007-04-24  5:52           ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2007-04-24  5:52             ` Neil Brown
2007-04-26  4:35             ` [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-26  4:35               ` Wendy Cheng
     [not found]               ` <message from Wendy Cheng on Thursday April 26>
2007-04-26  5:43                 ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2007-04-26  5:43                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-27  2:24                   ` [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-27  2:24                     ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-27  6:00                 ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2007-04-27  6:00                   ` Neil Brown
2007-04-27 11:15                   ` [NFS] " Jeff Layton
2007-04-27 11:15                     ` Jeff Layton
     [not found]                     ` <message from Jeff Layton on Friday April 27>
2007-04-27 12:40                       ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2007-04-27 12:40                         ` Neil Brown
2007-04-27 13:42                         ` Jeff Layton
2007-04-27 18:57                           ` [NFS] " Jeff Layton
2007-04-27 14:17                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 14:17                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-27 15:42                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-27 15:43                               ` [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-27 15:36                               ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-27 15:36                                 ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-27 16:31                                 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2007-04-27 16:31                                   ` [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                   ` <message from J. Bruce Fields on Friday April 27>
2007-04-27 22:22                                     ` Neil Brown
2007-04-27 22:22                                       ` Neil Brown
2007-04-29 20:13                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-29 20:14                                         ` [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                         ` <message from J. Bruce Fields on Sunday April 29>
2007-04-29 23:10                                           ` Neil Brown
2007-04-29 23:10                                             ` Neil Brown
2007-04-30  5:19                                             ` [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-30  5:19                                               ` Wendy Cheng
2007-05-04 18:42                                             ` [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
2007-05-04 18:42                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-05-04 21:35                                               ` [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-05-04 21:35                                                 ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-27 20:34                                 ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-04-27 20:34                                   ` [NFS] " Frank van Maarseveen
2007-04-28  3:55                                   ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-28  3:55                                     ` Wendy Cheng
     [not found]                                     ` <message from Wendy Cheng on Friday April 27>
2007-04-28  4:51                                       ` [NFS] " Neil Brown
2007-04-28  4:51                                         ` Neil Brown
2007-04-28  5:26                                         ` Marc Eshel
2007-04-28  5:27                                           ` [NFS] " Marc Eshel
2007-04-28 12:33                                         ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-04-28 12:33                                           ` [NFS] " Frank van Maarseveen
2007-04-27 15:12                           ` Jeff Layton
2007-04-27 15:12                             ` [NFS] " Jeff Layton
2007-04-25 14:18 ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 14:18   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 14:10   ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 14:10     ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:21     ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Marc Eshel
2007-04-25 15:21       ` Marc Eshel
2007-04-25 15:19       ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:19         ` Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:39         ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:39           ` [Cluster-devel] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:59     ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 15:59       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-04-25 15:52       ` [Cluster-devel] Re: [NFS] " Wendy Cheng
2007-04-25 15:52         ` Wendy Cheng
2011-11-30 10:13 ` Pavel

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