From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:00:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080222130002.GA22369@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BEBCB7.8000607@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 05:44:47PM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>
> My concern with all the points you mentioned is that this solution might need to
> change again,
No why would it need to change again?
> depending on the factors you've mentioned. vmalloc() is good and
> straightforward, but it has these dependencies which could call for another
> rewrite of the code.
The hotplug change would not need a rewrite of anything, just
some additional code in the SRAT parser to increase __VMALLOC_RESERVE for
each hotplug region. It's likely <= 3 additional lines.
>
> >
> >>>> if we decided to use vmalloc space, we would need 64
> >>>> MB of vmalloc'ed memory
> >>> Yes and if you increase mem_map you need exactly the same space
> >>> in lowmem too. So increasing the vmalloc reservation for this is
> >>> equivalent. Just make sure you use highmem backed vmalloc.
> >>>
> >> I see two problems with using vmalloc. One, the reservation needs to be done
> >> across architectures.
> >
> > Only on 32bit. Ok hacking it into all 32bit architectures might be
> > difficult, but I assume it would be ok to rely on the architecture
> > maintainers for that and only enable it on some selected architectures
> > using Kconfig for now.
> >
>
> Yes, but that's not such a good idea
Waiting for the maintainers? Why not?
I assume the memory controller would be primarily used on larger
systems anyways and except for i386 these should be mostly 64bit
these days anyways.
> > On 64bit vmalloc should be by default large enough so it could
> > be enabled for all 64bit architectures.
> >
> >> Two, a big vmalloc chunk is not node aware,
> >
> > vmalloc_node()
> >
>
> vmalloc_node() would need to work much the same way as mem_map does. I am
would? It already is implemented and works just fine AFAIK.
I don't understand the rest of your point.
-Andi
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:00:02 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080222130002.GA22369@one.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47BEBCB7.8000607@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 05:44:47PM +0530, Balbir Singh wrote:
>
> My concern with all the points you mentioned is that this solution might need to
> change again,
No why would it need to change again?
> depending on the factors you've mentioned. vmalloc() is good and
> straightforward, but it has these dependencies which could call for another
> rewrite of the code.
The hotplug change would not need a rewrite of anything, just
some additional code in the SRAT parser to increase __VMALLOC_RESERVE for
each hotplug region. It's likely <= 3 additional lines.
>
> >
> >>>> if we decided to use vmalloc space, we would need 64
> >>>> MB of vmalloc'ed memory
> >>> Yes and if you increase mem_map you need exactly the same space
> >>> in lowmem too. So increasing the vmalloc reservation for this is
> >>> equivalent. Just make sure you use highmem backed vmalloc.
> >>>
> >> I see two problems with using vmalloc. One, the reservation needs to be done
> >> across architectures.
> >
> > Only on 32bit. Ok hacking it into all 32bit architectures might be
> > difficult, but I assume it would be ok to rely on the architecture
> > maintainers for that and only enable it on some selected architectures
> > using Kconfig for now.
> >
>
> Yes, but that's not such a good idea
Waiting for the maintainers? Why not?
I assume the memory controller would be primarily used on larger
systems anyways and except for i386 these should be mostly 64bit
these days anyways.
> > On 64bit vmalloc should be by default large enough so it could
> > be enabled for all 64bit architectures.
> >
> >> Two, a big vmalloc chunk is not node aware,
> >
> > vmalloc_node()
> >
>
> vmalloc_node() would need to work much the same way as mem_map does. I am
would? It already is implemented and works just fine AFAIK.
I don't understand the rest of your point.
-Andi
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2008-02-20 12:23 [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 12:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:00 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 15:00 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 15:20 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:20 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:49 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 15:49 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 16:10 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:10 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:15 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 16:15 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 17:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 17:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 6:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21 6:49 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21 6:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 6:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 18:19 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:19 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:28 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 18:28 ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 18:51 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:51 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 14:46 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-21 14:46 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-21 14:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 14:52 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-22 3:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-22 3:09 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-20 16:15 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:15 ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:54 ` Ray Lee
2008-02-20 16:54 ` Ray Lee
2008-02-20 16:57 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 16:57 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 4:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 4:35 ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21 5:06 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 5:06 ` Balbir Singh
[not found] ` <200802211622.51751.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
2008-02-21 5:46 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 5:46 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 10:44 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 10:44 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 4:41 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 4:41 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 9:51 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 9:51 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 12:14 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 12:14 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 13:00 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2008-02-22 13:00 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 15:47 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 15:47 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 10:37 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 10:37 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 11:03 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 11:03 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 6:59 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22 6:59 ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22 7:06 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 7:06 ` Balbir Singh
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