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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:22:05 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BC2275.4060900@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080220122338.GA4352@basil.nowhere.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
> 
> I was a little surprised that 2.6.25-rc* increased struct page for the memory
> controller.  At least on many x86-64 machines it will not fit into a single
> cache line now anymore and also costs considerable amounts of RAM. 

The size of struct page earlier was 56 bytes on x86_64 and with 64 bytes it
won't fit into the cacheline anymore? Please also look at
http://lwn.net/Articles/234974/

> At earlier review I remembered asking for a external data structure for this.
> 
> It's also quite unobvious that a innocent looking Kconfig option with a 
> single line Kconfig description has such a negative effect.
> 
> This patch attempts to document these disadvantages at least so that users
> configuring their kernel can make a informed decision.
> 
> Cc: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> 
> Signed-off-by: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
> 
> Index: linux/init/Kconfig
> ===================================================================
> --- linux.orig/init/Kconfig
> +++ linux/init/Kconfig
> @@ -394,6 +394,14 @@ config CGROUP_MEM_CONT
>  	  Provides a memory controller that manages both page cache and
>  	  RSS memory.
> 
> +	  Note that setting this option increases fixed memory overhead
> +	  associated with each page of memory in the system by 4/8 bytes
> +	  and also increases cache misses because struct page on many 64bit
> +	  systems will not fit into a single cache line anymore.
> +
> +	  Only enable when you're ok with these trade offs and really
> +	  sure you need the memory controller.
> +

Looks good

Acked-by: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

>  config PROC_PID_CPUSET
>  	bool "Include legacy /proc/<pid>/cpuset file"
>  	depends on CPUSETS


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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From: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: akpm@osdl.org, torvalds@osdl.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:22:05 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <47BC2275.4060900@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080220122338.GA4352@basil.nowhere.org>

Andi Kleen wrote:
> Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig
> 
> I was a little surprised that 2.6.25-rc* increased struct page for the memory
> controller.  At least on many x86-64 machines it will not fit into a single
> cache line now anymore and also costs considerable amounts of RAM. 

The size of struct page earlier was 56 bytes on x86_64 and with 64 bytes it
won't fit into the cacheline anymore? Please also look at
http://lwn.net/Articles/234974/

> At earlier review I remembered asking for a external data structure for this.
> 
> It's also quite unobvious that a innocent looking Kconfig option with a 
> single line Kconfig description has such a negative effect.
> 
> This patch attempts to document these disadvantages at least so that users
> configuring their kernel can make a informed decision.
> 
> Cc: balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com
> 
> Signed-off-by: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
> 
> Index: linux/init/Kconfig
> ===================================================================
> --- linux.orig/init/Kconfig
> +++ linux/init/Kconfig
> @@ -394,6 +394,14 @@ config CGROUP_MEM_CONT
>  	  Provides a memory controller that manages both page cache and
>  	  RSS memory.
> 
> +	  Note that setting this option increases fixed memory overhead
> +	  associated with each page of memory in the system by 4/8 bytes
> +	  and also increases cache misses because struct page on many 64bit
> +	  systems will not fit into a single cache line anymore.
> +
> +	  Only enable when you're ok with these trade offs and really
> +	  sure you need the memory controller.
> +

Looks good

Acked-by: Balbir Singh <balbir@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

>  config PROC_PID_CPUSET
>  	bool "Include legacy /proc/<pid>/cpuset file"
>  	depends on CPUSETS


-- 
	Warm Regards,
	Balbir Singh
	Linux Technology Center
	IBM, ISTL

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-02-20 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-02-20 12:23 [PATCH] Document huge memory/cache overhead of memory controller in Kconfig Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 12:23 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Balbir Singh [this message]
2008-02-20 12:52   ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:00   ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 15:00     ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 15:20     ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:20       ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 15:49       ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 15:49         ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 16:10         ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:10           ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:15           ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 16:15             ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 17:00             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 17:00               ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21  6:49             ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21  6:49               ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-21  6:52               ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21  6:52                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-20 18:19         ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:19           ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:28           ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 18:28             ` Jan Engelhardt
2008-02-20 18:51             ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-20 18:51               ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 14:46               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-21 14:46                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-21 14:52                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 14:52                   ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 23:55                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-21 23:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2008-02-22  3:09                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-22  3:09                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2008-02-20 16:15       ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:15         ` John Stoffel
2008-02-20 16:54       ` Ray Lee
2008-02-20 16:54         ` Ray Lee
2008-02-20 16:57     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-20 16:57       ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21  4:35   ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21  4:35     ` Nick Piggin
2008-02-21  5:06     ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21  5:06       ` Balbir Singh
     [not found]       ` <200802211622.51751.nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
2008-02-21  5:46         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21  5:46           ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 10:44       ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 10:44         ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22  4:41         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22  4:41           ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22  9:51           ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22  9:51             ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 12:14             ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 12:14               ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 13:00               ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 13:00                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-22 15:47                 ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22 15:47                   ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 10:37     ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 10:37       ` Andi Kleen
2008-02-21 11:03       ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-21 11:03         ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22  6:59         ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22  6:59           ` KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki
2008-02-22  7:06           ` Balbir Singh
2008-02-22  7:06             ` Balbir Singh

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