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From: Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
To: Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 8/8] x86_64: Support for new UV apic
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:03:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080330210356.GA13383@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86802c440803301323q5c4bd4f4k1f9bdc1d6b1a0a7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 01:23:12PM -0700, Yinghai Lu wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> >
> >  * Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > > > -        obj-y                            += genapic_64.o genapic_flat_64.o
> >  > > > +        obj-y                            += genapic_64.o genapic_flat_64.o genx2apic_uv_x.o
> >  > >
> >  > > Definitely should be a CONFIG
> >  >
> >  > Not sure that I understand why. The overhead of UV is minimal & we
> >  > want UV enabled in all distro kernels. OTOH, small embedded systems
> >  > probably want to eliminate every last bit of unneeded code.
> >  >
> >  > Might make sense to have a config option. Thoughts????
> >
> >  i wouldnt mind having UV enabled by default (it can be a config option
> >  but default-enabled on generic kernels so all distros will pick this hw
> >  support up), but we definitely need the genapic unification before we
> >  can add more features.
> 
> config option would be reasonable.
> for x86_64
> subarch already have X86_PC, X86_VSMP.
> we have X86_UVSMP

If there was a significant differece between UV and generic kernels
(or hardware), then I would agree. However, the only significant
difference is the APIC model on large systems. Small systems are
exactly compatible.

The problem with subarch is that we want 1 binary kernel to support
both generic hardware AND uv hardware. This restriction is desirable
for the distros and software vendors. Otherwise, additional kernel
images would have to be built, released, & certified.

--- jack


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From: Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com>
To: Yinghai Lu <yhlu.kernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	tglx@linutronix.de, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC 8/8] x86_64: Support for new UV apic
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:03:56 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080330210356.GA13383@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86802c440803301323q5c4bd4f4k1f9bdc1d6b1a0a7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 01:23:12PM -0700, Yinghai Lu wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 12:38 AM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu> wrote:
> >
> >  * Jack Steiner <steiner@sgi.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > > > -        obj-y                            += genapic_64.o genapic_flat_64.o
> >  > > > +        obj-y                            += genapic_64.o genapic_flat_64.o genx2apic_uv_x.o
> >  > >
> >  > > Definitely should be a CONFIG
> >  >
> >  > Not sure that I understand why. The overhead of UV is minimal & we
> >  > want UV enabled in all distro kernels. OTOH, small embedded systems
> >  > probably want to eliminate every last bit of unneeded code.
> >  >
> >  > Might make sense to have a config option. Thoughts????
> >
> >  i wouldnt mind having UV enabled by default (it can be a config option
> >  but default-enabled on generic kernels so all distros will pick this hw
> >  support up), but we definitely need the genapic unification before we
> >  can add more features.
> 
> config option would be reasonable.
> for x86_64
> subarch already have X86_PC, X86_VSMP.
> we have X86_UVSMP

If there was a significant differece between UV and generic kernels
(or hardware), then I would agree. However, the only significant
difference is the APIC model on large systems. Small systems are
exactly compatible.

The problem with subarch is that we want 1 binary kernel to support
both generic hardware AND uv hardware. This restriction is desirable
for the distros and software vendors. Otherwise, additional kernel
images would have to be built, released, & certified.

--- jack

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-30 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-24 18:21 [RFC 8/8] x86_64: Support for new UV apic Jack Steiner
2008-03-24 18:21 ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-25 10:25 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-25 10:25   ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-25 17:56   ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-25 17:56     ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-25 18:06     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-25 18:06       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-26  2:23       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-03-26  2:23         ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-03-26  3:22         ` Glauber Costa
2008-03-26  3:22           ` Glauber Costa
2008-03-26  7:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-26  7:29           ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-26  7:38     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-26  7:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-30 20:23       ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 20:23         ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 21:03         ` Jack Steiner [this message]
2008-03-30 21:03           ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-30 21:18           ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-30 21:18             ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-30 23:29             ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 23:29               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-31  2:18               ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-31  2:18                 ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-31  2:20                 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-31  2:20                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-31 12:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-31 12:33                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-31 12:52                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-31 12:52                       ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-31 18:42                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-31 18:42                       ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-31  6:48               ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-31  6:48                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-03-25 14:30 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-25 14:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2008-03-25 16:31   ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-25 16:31     ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-26  3:24     ` Glauber Costa
2008-03-26  3:24       ` Glauber Costa
2008-03-30 20:41 ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 20:41   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 21:08   ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-30 21:08     ` Jack Steiner
2008-03-30 23:24     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-03-30 23:24       ` Yinghai Lu

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