From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <rdenis@simphalempin.com>
To: dccp@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:06:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805132006.35010.rdenis@simphalempin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080513072853.GB4514@gerrit.erg.abdn.ac.uk>
Le Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:59:35 David Stevens, vous avez écrit :
> Well, SOCK_STREAM/IPPROTO_DCCP then. :-) But it isn't really that
> either, as Remi said.
> If you do a connect() on a UDP socket, it doesn't cease to
> be a SOCK_DGRAM socket, so I don't really care about that distinction,
> but if others do, that's ok with me. There are ACKs here, too, so maybe.
But connect() is a _non-blocking_ operation which merely sets the _default_
destination (you can still sendto() someone else).
Using socket types blindly may also break applications using
getsockopt(SO_TYPE), if they exists (I think I wrote one once...) to
determine how to use a socket.
SOCK_DCCP was perhaps a bad idea, but SOCK_DGRAM seems worse. In the end, it's
more a matter of patching libc getaddrinfo than changing the kernel API
anyway. Did AIX not have a similar socket type as DCCP under a more generic
name by the way?
--
Rémi Denis-Courmont
http://www.remlab.net/
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From: "Rémi Denis-Courmont" <rdenis@simphalempin.com>
To: David Stevens <dlstevens@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
dccp@vger.kernel.org, Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>,
netdev@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:06:34 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <200805132006.35010.rdenis@simphalempin.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF8AA2B2D0.51E14DBC-ON88257448.005BC2A0-88257448.005D57D0@us.ibm.com>
Le Tuesday 13 May 2008 19:59:35 David Stevens, vous avez écrit :
> Well, SOCK_STREAM/IPPROTO_DCCP then. :-) But it isn't really that
> either, as Remi said.
> If you do a connect() on a UDP socket, it doesn't cease to
> be a SOCK_DGRAM socket, so I don't really care about that distinction,
> but if others do, that's ok with me. There are ACKs here, too, so maybe.
But connect() is a _non-blocking_ operation which merely sets the _default_
destination (you can still sendto() someone else).
Using socket types blindly may also break applications using
getsockopt(SO_TYPE), if they exists (I think I wrote one once...) to
determine how to use a socket.
SOCK_DCCP was perhaps a bad idea, but SOCK_DGRAM seems worse. In the end, it's
more a matter of patching libc getaddrinfo than changing the kernel API
anyway. Did AIX not have a similar socket type as DCCP under a more generic
name by the way?
--
Rémi Denis-Courmont
http://www.remlab.net/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-05-13 17:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-05-13 7:28 [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 7:28 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 7:39 ` David Miller
2008-05-13 7:39 ` David Miller
2008-05-13 9:37 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 9:37 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 13:46 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 13:46 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 15:50 ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 15:50 ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 16:23 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 16:23 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 16:59 ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 16:59 ` David Stevens
2008-05-13 17:03 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 17:03 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-13 17:06 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont [this message]
2008-05-13 17:06 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:33 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:33 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:34 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:34 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:37 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:37 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 17:50 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:50 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 17:53 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2008-05-13 19:14 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-13 19:14 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-13 22:34 ` David Miller
2008-05-13 22:34 ` David Miller
2008-05-14 8:09 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 8:09 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 14:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 14:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 14:45 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 14:45 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 16:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 16:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:22 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:22 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 17:39 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2008-05-14 17:39 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2008-05-14 17:43 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:43 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:47 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 17:47 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 17:49 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 17:49 ` Rémi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-14 17:57 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 17:57 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:00 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 18:00 ` Gerrit Renker
2008-05-14 18:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:06 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:07 ` Ulrich Drepper
2008-05-14 18:07 ` Ulrich Drepper
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-05-13 12:53 [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SO Remi Denis-Courmont
2008-05-13 12:53 ` [RFC] [DCCP]: Deprecate SOCK_DCCP in favour of SOCK_DGRAM Remi Denis-Courmont
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