From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>
To: Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>
Cc: axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"xfs@oss.sgi.com" <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org,
"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:52:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701105251.GC22522@agk.fab.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080701081026.GB16691@infradead.org>
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 04:10:26AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> I still disagree with this whole patch.
Same here - if you want a timeout, what stops you from implementing it in a
userspace process? If your concern is that the process might die without
thawing the filesystem, take a look at the userspace LVM/multipath code for
ideas - lock into memory, disable OOM killer, run from ramdisk etc.
In practice, those techniques seem to be good enough.
> call can hang and this would be theoretically useful is when the
> filesystem is already frozen by someone else, but this should be fixed
> by refusing to do the second freeze, as suggested in my comment to patch
> 1.
Similarly if a device-mapper device is involved, how should the following
sequence behave - A, B or C?
1. dmsetup suspend (freezes)
2. FIFREEZE
3. FITHAW
4. dmsetup resume (thaws)
A:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 succeeds, remains frozen
3 succeeds, remains frozen
4 succeeds, thaws
B:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 fails, remains frozen
3 shouldn't be called because 2 failed but if it is: succeeds, thaws
4 succeeds (already thawed, but still does the device-mapper parts)
C:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 fails, remains frozen
3 fails (because device-mapper owns the freeze/thaw), remains frozen
4 succeeds, thaws
Alasdair
--
agk@redhat.com
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From: Alasdair G Kergon <agk@redhat.com>
To: Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"xfs@oss.sgi.com" <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
akpm@linux-foundation.org,
"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [dm-devel] Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 11:52:51 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080701105251.GC22522@agk.fab.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080701081026.GB16691@infradead.org>
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 04:10:26AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> I still disagree with this whole patch.
Same here - if you want a timeout, what stops you from implementing it in a
userspace process? If your concern is that the process might die without
thawing the filesystem, take a look at the userspace LVM/multipath code for
ideas - lock into memory, disable OOM killer, run from ramdisk etc.
In practice, those techniques seem to be good enough.
> call can hang and this would be theoretically useful is when the
> filesystem is already frozen by someone else, but this should be fixed
> by refusing to do the second freeze, as suggested in my comment to patch
> 1.
Similarly if a device-mapper device is involved, how should the following
sequence behave - A, B or C?
1. dmsetup suspend (freezes)
2. FIFREEZE
3. FITHAW
4. dmsetup resume (thaws)
A:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 succeeds, remains frozen
3 succeeds, remains frozen
4 succeeds, thaws
B:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 fails, remains frozen
3 shouldn't be called because 2 failed but if it is: succeeds, thaws
4 succeeds (already thawed, but still does the device-mapper parts)
C:
1 succeeds, freezes
2 fails, remains frozen
3 fails (because device-mapper owns the freeze/thaw), remains frozen
4 succeeds, thaws
Alasdair
--
agk@redhat.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-07-01 10:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-06-30 12:24 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-06-30 12:24 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-01 8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-01 10:52 ` Alasdair G Kergon [this message]
2008-07-01 10:52 ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:11 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:11 ` [dm-devel] " Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:11 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:47 ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:47 ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 22:11 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 22:11 ` [dm-devel] " Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 22:11 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 12:08 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-04 12:08 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 14:45 ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-07 11:07 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:10 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 0:52 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 4:21 ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09 4:21 ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09 4:21 ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09 4:21 ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09 6:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:16 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09 6:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:22 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:41 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:48 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:48 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 6:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 7:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 7:08 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 7:13 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 12:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:59 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:57 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58 ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15 ` jim owens
2008-07-14 6:36 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17 ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 13:12 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04 ` jim owens
2008-07-09 11:49 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 13:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 6:59 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 7:13 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 7:33 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 7:33 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 8:11 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 8:11 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:15 ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 1:09 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20 ` Pavel Machek
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