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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	"xfs@oss.sgi.com" <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:10:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080708231026.GP11558@disturbed> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080707110730.GG5643@ucw.cz>

On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:07:31PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > I still disagree with this whole patch.  There is not reason to let
> > the freeze request timeout - an auto-unfreezing will only confuse the
> > hell out of the caller.  The only reason where the current XFS freeze
> > call can hang and this would be theoretically useful is when the
> 
> What happens when someone dirties so much data that vm swaps out
> whatever process that frozen the filesystem?

a) you can't dirty a frozen filesystem - by definition a frozen
   filesystem is a *clean filesystem* and *cannot be dirtied*.
b) Swap doesn't write through the filesystem
c) you can still read from a frozen filesystem to page your
   executableѕ in.
d) if dirtying another unfrozen filesystem swaps out your
   application so it can't run, then there's a major VM bug.
   Regardless, until the app completes it is relying on the
   filesystem being frozen, so it better remain frozen....

> I though that was why the timeout was there...

Not that I know of. 

Cheers,

Dave.
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Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk,
	"linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>,
	"xfs@oss.sgi.com" <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
	"dm-devel@redhat.com" <dm-devel@redhat.com>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:10:27 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080708231026.GP11558@disturbed> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080707110730.GG5643@ucw.cz>

On Mon, Jul 07, 2008 at 01:07:31PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > I still disagree with this whole patch.  There is not reason to let
> > the freeze request timeout - an auto-unfreezing will only confuse the
> > hell out of the caller.  The only reason where the current XFS freeze
> > call can hang and this would be theoretically useful is when the
> 
> What happens when someone dirties so much data that vm swaps out
> whatever process that frozen the filesystem?

a) you can't dirty a frozen filesystem - by definition a frozen
   filesystem is a *clean filesystem* and *cannot be dirtied*.
b) Swap doesn't write through the filesystem
c) you can still read from a frozen filesystem to page your
   executableѕ in.
d) if dirtying another unfrozen filesystem swaps out your
   application so it can't run, then there's a major VM bug.
   Regardless, until the app completes it is relying on the
   filesystem being frozen, so it better remain frozen....

> I though that was why the timeout was there...

Not that I know of. 

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2008-07-08 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-30 12:24 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-06-30 12:24 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-01  8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-01 10:52   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-01 10:52     ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:11     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:11       ` [dm-devel] " Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:11       ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 12:47       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 12:47         ` [dm-devel] " Alasdair G Kergon
2008-07-03 22:11         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 22:11         ` [dm-devel] " Dave Chinner
2008-07-03 22:11           ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-04 12:08           ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-04 12:08             ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-03 14:45       ` Eric Sandeen
2008-07-07 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10     ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2008-07-08 23:10       ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20         ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  0:52         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:09             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21               ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  6:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09  6:22                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:22                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:22                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:41                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:48                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:55                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  7:08                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:08                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  7:13                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:09                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49                               ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:59                                 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:57                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58                               ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13                                 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-14  6:36                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17                                       ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12                                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 13:12                                   ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 13:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:59                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:33                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:33                           ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  8:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  8:11                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:15                               ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44             ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-09-08 11:53 Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 11:53 ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 17:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-25 21:06   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-26  8:52     ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26  8:52       ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 10:58       ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-29 11:11         ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-29 11:11           ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-29 11:11           ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 12:35       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-26 12:35         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-29 14:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:36           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:45             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 22:08               ` jim owens
2008-10-05 10:00               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 10:12               ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:12                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:12                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:18                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-09 10:18                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-18 12:28 Takashi Sato
2008-08-18 12:28 ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-21 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-21 20:20   ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-22 18:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-22 18:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-24 17:03   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-08-29  9:39   ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-29  9:39     ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-29  9:39     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24  7:00 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24  7:00 ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-24 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-27 11:33   ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 11:33     ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 11:33     ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-29 23:13       ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-29 23:13         ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-29 23:13         ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-30  0:01         ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-30  0:01           ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-30  0:01           ` Andrew Morton

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