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From: Ric Wheeler <rwheeler@redhat.com>
To: Takashi Sato <t-sato@yk.jp.nec.com>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, dm-devel@redhat.com,
	viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,
	xfs@oss.sgi.com, axboe@kernel.dk, mtk.manpages@googlemail.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2008 06:58:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48DCC043.1020207@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D0B0D91F884647D6808626CDFF81E532@nsl.ad.nec.co.jp>

Takashi Sato wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ric Wheeler wrote:
>> Christoph Hellwig wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 08, 2008 at 08:53:37PM +0900, Takashi Sato wrote:
>>>
>>>> The timeout feature is added to "freeze ioctl" to solve a deadlock
>>>> when the freezer accesses a frozen filesystem. And new ioctl
>>>> to reset the timeout period is added to extend the timeout period.
>>>> For example, the freezer resets the timeout period to 10 seconds 
>>>> every 5
>>>> seconds.  In this approach, even if the freezer causes a deadlock by
>>>> accessing the frozen filesystem, it will be solved by the timeout
>>>> in 10 seconds and the freezer will be able to recognize that
>>>> at the next reset of timeout period.
>>>>
>>>
>>> And as with all previous posting I still fundamentally disagree about
>>> the need of this functionality.  We don't need a timeout for freezing.
>>
>> I agree with Christoph here, I think that the timeout is unneeded.
>
> I think that your concern is that the freezer cannot recognize the 
> occurrence
> of a timeout and it continues the backup process and the backup data is
> corrupted finally.
> If the freezer can recognize it by the unfreeze ioctl's errono, will 
> your concern
> be solved?
> If so, I will implement it.
>
> Cheers, Takashi
>
I think that is certainly part a big part of my concern.

Also note that the timeout seems to be quite low relative to say the 
standard timeout for a SCSI device (30 seconds worst case).

In general, I am quite supportive of the patch series and think that 
this is a great addition.

Thanks!

Ric



  reply	other threads:[~2008-09-26 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-08 11:53 [PATCH 3/3] Add timeout feature Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 11:53 ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-08 17:11 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-25 21:06   ` Ric Wheeler
2008-09-26  8:52     ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26  8:52       ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 10:58       ` Ric Wheeler [this message]
2008-09-29 11:11         ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-29 11:11           ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-29 11:11           ` Takashi Sato
2008-09-26 12:35       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-26 12:35         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-09-29 14:13       ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:36         ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:36           ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 14:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-09-29 14:45             ` Eric Sandeen
2008-09-29 22:08               ` jim owens
2008-10-05 10:00               ` Pavel Machek
2008-10-09 10:12               ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:12                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:12                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-10-09 10:18                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-10-09 10:18                   ` Christoph Hellwig
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-08-18 12:28 Takashi Sato
2008-08-18 12:28 ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-21 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-21 20:20   ` Andrew Morton
2008-08-22 18:16   ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-22 18:16     ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-08-24 17:03   ` Oleg Nesterov
2008-08-29  9:39   ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-29  9:39     ` Takashi Sato
2008-08-29  9:39     ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-22  9:36 Takashi Sato
2008-06-30 12:24 Takashi Sato
2008-06-30 12:24 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-01  8:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-07 11:07   ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:10     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:10       ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20         ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  0:52         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:09           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  1:09             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21               ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  4:21             ` Brad Boyer
2008-07-09  6:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:16               ` Christoph Hellwig
2008-07-09  6:22                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:22                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:22                   ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:41                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:41                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:48                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:48                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  6:55                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  7:08                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:08                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 20:48                           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09  7:13                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:09                             ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49                               ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24                               ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:24                                 ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 12:59                                 ` Olaf Frączyk
2008-07-09 13:57                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:57                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:55                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09 13:58                               ` jim owens
2008-07-09 14:13                                 ` jim owens
2008-07-13 12:06                                 ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-13 17:15                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-14  6:36                                     ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-14 13:17                                       ` jim owens
2008-07-14 13:12                                 ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 13:12                                   ` Takashi Sato
2008-07-14 14:04                                   ` jim owens
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:49                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:09                           ` Theodore Tso
2008-07-09 13:53                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-07-09  6:59                     ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:13                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  7:33                         ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  7:33                           ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09  8:11                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09  8:11                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2008-07-09 11:15                             ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 11:15                               ` Dave Chinner
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44             ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-09 20:44           ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-07-08 23:20       ` Pavel Machek
2008-06-24  7:00 Takashi Sato
2008-06-24  7:00 ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-24 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-27 11:33   ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 11:33     ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 11:33     ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-27 18:57     ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-29 23:13       ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-29 23:13         ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-29 23:13         ` Takashi Sato
2008-06-30  0:01         ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-30  0:01           ` Andrew Morton
2008-06-30  0:01           ` Andrew Morton

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