* rename grub to grub-legacy ? @ 2008-08-01 14:48 Robert Millan 2008-08-01 15:09 ` Marco Gerards 2008-08-01 15:15 ` Gregg C Levine 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Robert Millan @ 2008-08-01 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: grub-devel Hi, What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy branch and is not open for further development. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-01 14:48 rename grub to grub-legacy ? Robert Millan @ 2008-08-01 15:09 ` Marco Gerards 2008-08-01 15:39 ` Robert Millan 2008-08-01 15:15 ` Gregg C Levine 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Marco Gerards @ 2008-08-01 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 Hi, Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes: > What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? > > I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy branch > and is not open for further development. This is fine for me. Can you do this assuming Okuji and other developers do not have strong objections? -- Marco ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-01 15:09 ` Marco Gerards @ 2008-08-01 15:39 ` Robert Millan 2008-08-03 20:04 ` Robert Millan 2008-10-07 17:36 ` Felix Zielcke 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Robert Millan @ 2008-08-01 15:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2; +Cc: Yoshinori K. Okuji On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:09:41PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote: > Hi, > > Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes: > > > What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? > > > > I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy branch > > and is not open for further development. > > This is fine for me. Can you do this assuming Okuji and other > developers do not have strong objections? Adding Okuji to CC, just to make sure he reads it. -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-01 15:39 ` Robert Millan @ 2008-08-03 20:04 ` Robert Millan 2008-08-03 23:19 ` Gregg Levine 2008-08-04 5:06 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-10-07 17:36 ` Felix Zielcke 1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Robert Millan @ 2008-08-03 20:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2; +Cc: Yoshinori K. Okuji No objection then? -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-03 20:04 ` Robert Millan @ 2008-08-03 23:19 ` Gregg Levine 2008-08-04 5:06 ` Pavel Roskin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Gregg Levine @ 2008-08-03 23:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> wrote: > > No objection then? > > -- > Robert Millan > Hello! Not from me Robert. I am waiting to see how the developers react. Remember I am just a user of the legacy product here. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@gmail.com "This signature was once found posting rude messages in English in the Moscow subway." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-03 20:04 ` Robert Millan 2008-08-03 23:19 ` Gregg Levine @ 2008-08-04 5:06 ` Pavel Roskin 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Pavel Roskin @ 2008-08-04 5:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2; +Cc: Yoshinori K. Okuji On Sun, 2008-08-03 at 22:04 +0200, Robert Millan wrote: > No objection then? I don't think we need to move stuff around for such minor reason. Even though Subversion supports renames, it's not entirely transparent. Also, we still didn't match some "grub-legacy" functionality, including "savedefault" and network support. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-01 15:39 ` Robert Millan 2008-08-03 20:04 ` Robert Millan @ 2008-10-07 17:36 ` Felix Zielcke 2008-10-07 19:24 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji 1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-07 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2; +Cc: Yoshinori K. Okuji -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robert Millan" <rmh@aybabtu.com> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:39 PM To: "The development of GRUB 2" <grub-devel@gnu.org> Cc: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org> Subject: Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:09:41PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes: >> >> > What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? >> > >> > I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy branch >> > and is not open for further development. >> >> This is fine for me. Can you do this assuming Okuji and other >> developers do not have strong objections? > > Adding Okuji to CC, just to make sure he reads it. Reviving this old topic. It would be nice if grub would be renamed to grub-legacy in SVN So we all wait now for Okuji or can this happen without him because there were no objections AFAICS. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-07 17:36 ` Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-07 19:24 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji 2008-10-09 9:53 ` Felix Zielcke 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Yoshinori K. Okuji @ 2008-10-07 19:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Felix Zielcke; +Cc: The development of GRUB 2 On Tuesday 07 October 2008 19:36:32 Felix Zielcke wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Robert Millan" <rmh@aybabtu.com> > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 5:39 PM > To: "The development of GRUB 2" <grub-devel@gnu.org> > Cc: "Yoshinori K. Okuji" <okuji@enbug.org> > Subject: Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > > > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 05:09:41PM +0200, Marco Gerards wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> Robert Millan <rmh@aybabtu.com> writes: > >> > What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? > >> > > >> > I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy > >> > branch and is not open for further development. > >> > >> This is fine for me. Can you do this assuming Okuji and other > >> developers do not have strong objections? > > > > Adding Okuji to CC, just to make sure he reads it. > > Reviving this old topic. > It would be nice if grub would be renamed to grub-legacy in SVN > So we all wait now for Okuji or can this happen without him because there > were no objections AFAICS. I have no objection. Sorry for a slow response. Regards, Okuji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-07 19:24 ` Yoshinori K. Okuji @ 2008-10-09 9:53 ` Felix Zielcke 2008-10-09 15:36 ` Pavel Roskin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread From: Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-09 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 21:24 +0200 schrieb Yoshinori K. Okuji: > > I have no objection. Sorry for a slow response. So if I understand it right then `svn mv svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub-legacy' should do it, inclusive saving the history? I just better ask before trying it out :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-09 9:53 ` Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-09 15:36 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-10-09 15:58 ` Felix Zielcke 2008-11-29 17:02 ` Robert Millan 0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Pavel Roskin @ 2008-10-09 15:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 11:53 +0200, Felix Zielcke wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 21:24 +0200 schrieb Yoshinori K. Okuji: > > > > I have no objection. Sorry for a slow response. > > So if I understand it right then > `svn mv svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub-legacy' > should do it, inclusive saving the history? > I just better ask before trying it out :) Preserving history is not perfect. I believe it's impossible to refer to the old revisions by the new names in diff, so one would need to use old paths for the pre-move revisions. Anyway, "svn mv" is the Subversion way of doing things. If we are certain that we want to move the repository, it's better to do it early. It's also better to do it when there are no unmerged branches. I believe Okuji wanted to use a different naming scheme, that would put "grub2" or "grub-legacy" above trunk. You may want to check it to avoid moving things twice. All the above notwithstanding, I'm still skeptical about the whole moving idea based on my experience with other projects. Repositories are for developers and should be used in the way that minimizes troubles for developers rather than reduces the entry barrier for newbies. If GRUB2 is moved in any way, I'm not sure I'll be able to keep the git mirror at repo.or.cz up to date. It doesn't seem that git-svn can deal with it. I'm going to try to keep is running, but I cannot promise it. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* RE: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-09 15:36 ` Pavel Roskin @ 2008-10-09 15:58 ` Felix Zielcke 2008-10-10 22:06 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-10-12 1:53 ` Gregg C Levine 2008-11-29 17:02 ` Robert Millan 1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-09 15:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The development of GRUB 2' > -----Original Message----- > From: grub-devel-bounces+fzielcke=z-51.de@gnu.org [mailto:grub-devel- > bounces+fzielcke=z-51.de@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Pavel Roskin > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:37 PM > To: The development of GRUB 2 > Subject: Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > > I believe Okuji wanted to use a different naming scheme, that would put > "grub2" or "grub-legacy" above trunk. You may want to check it to > avoid > moving things twice. Right, there was already a topic about the SVN structure I totally forgot about: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2008-07/msg00248.html > All the above notwithstanding, I'm still skeptical about the whole > moving idea based on my experience with other projects. Repositories > are for developers and should be used in the way that minimizes > troubles > for developers rather than reduces the entry barrier for newbies. I think grub-legacy is dead from developer POV or am I wrong? But you're right if we change things then we should do this only once, so I'm now not that sure what to do now. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* RE: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-09 15:58 ` Felix Zielcke @ 2008-10-10 22:06 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-10-12 1:53 ` Gregg C Levine 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Pavel Roskin @ 2008-10-10 22:06 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2 On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 17:58 +0200, Felix Zielcke wrote: > I think grub-legacy is dead from developer POV or am I wrong? There have been some commits after the last release. A major issue can force releasing another version. > But you're right if we change things then we should do this only once, > so I'm now not that sure what to do now. Let's wait then. It's not like the existing structure is blocking anything. -- Regards, Pavel Roskin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* RE: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-09 15:58 ` Felix Zielcke 2008-10-10 22:06 ` Pavel Roskin @ 2008-10-12 1:53 ` Gregg C Levine 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Gregg C Levine @ 2008-10-12 1:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The development of GRUB 2' Hello! Indeed. You are quite correct concerning GRUB as it is described. However given the fluid state of GRUB2 I am reluctant to try it out unless I can convince my hardware to play along. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > -----Original Message----- > From: grub-devel-bounces+hansolofalcon=worldnet.att.net@gnu.org [mailto:grub-devel- > bounces+hansolofalcon=worldnet.att.net@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Felix Zielcke > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:59 AM > To: 'The development of GRUB 2' > Subject: RE: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: grub-devel-bounces+fzielcke=z-51.de@gnu.org [mailto:grub-devel- > > bounces+fzielcke=z-51.de@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Pavel Roskin > > Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 5:37 PM > > To: The development of GRUB 2 > > Subject: Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > > > > I believe Okuji wanted to use a different naming scheme, that would put > > "grub2" or "grub-legacy" above trunk. You may want to check it to > > avoid > > moving things twice. > > Right, there was already a topic about the SVN structure I totally forgot about: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2008-07/msg00248.html > > > All the above notwithstanding, I'm still skeptical about the whole > > moving idea based on my experience with other projects. Repositories > > are for developers and should be used in the way that minimizes > > troubles > > for developers rather than reduces the entry barrier for newbies. > > I think grub-legacy is dead from developer POV or am I wrong? > > But you're right if we change things then we should do this only once, > so I'm now not that sure what to do now. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* Re: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-10-09 15:36 ` Pavel Roskin 2008-10-09 15:58 ` Felix Zielcke @ 2008-11-29 17:02 ` Robert Millan 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Robert Millan @ 2008-11-29 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: The development of GRUB 2; +Cc: Yoshinori K. Okuji On Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 11:36:51AM -0400, Pavel Roskin wrote: > On Thu, 2008-10-09 at 11:53 +0200, Felix Zielcke wrote: > > Am Dienstag, den 07.10.2008, 21:24 +0200 schrieb Yoshinori K. Okuji: > > > > > > I have no objection. Sorry for a slow response. > > > > So if I understand it right then > > `svn mv svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub svn+ssh://svn.sv.gnu.org/grub/trunk/grub-legacy' > > should do it, inclusive saving the history? > > I just better ask before trying it out :) > > Preserving history is not perfect. I believe it's impossible to refer > to the old revisions by the new names in diff, so one would need to use > old paths for the pre-move revisions. Anyway, "svn mv" is the > Subversion way of doing things. If we are certain that we want to move > the repository, it's better to do it early. It's also better to do it > when there are no unmerged branches. > > I believe Okuji wanted to use a different naming scheme, that would put > "grub2" or "grub-legacy" above trunk. You may want to check it to avoid > moving things twice. > > All the above notwithstanding, I'm still skeptical about the whole > moving idea based on my experience with other projects. Repositories > are for developers and should be used in the way that minimizes troubles > for developers rather than reduces the entry barrier for newbies. > > If GRUB2 is moved in any way, I'm not sure I'll be able to keep the git > mirror at repo.or.cz up to date. It doesn't seem that git-svn can deal > with it. I'm going to try to keep is running, but I cannot promise it. Perhaps we should just rename the tarball in next release. The point was to send a message down to distributors, not to create an inconvenience for us. Okuji, what do you think? -- Robert Millan The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
* RE: rename grub to grub-legacy ? 2008-08-01 14:48 rename grub to grub-legacy ? Robert Millan 2008-08-01 15:09 ` Marco Gerards @ 2008-08-01 15:15 ` Gregg C Levine 1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread From: Gregg C Levine @ 2008-08-01 15:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 'The development of GRUB 2' Hello! I agree! Every time someone asks a question on the regular list I include that as part of my statement. I can't begin to explain how many times people have over reacted over the idea that what seems to them to be a brand new boot loader is already an old one who's reached that status. -- Gregg C Levine hansolofalcon@worldnet.att.net "The Force will be with you always." Obi-Wan Kenobi > -----Original Message----- > From: grub-devel-bounces+hansolofalcon=worldnet.att.net@gnu.org [mailto:grub-devel- > bounces+hansolofalcon=worldnet.att.net@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Robert Millan > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 10:48 AM > To: grub-devel@gnu.org > Subject: rename grub to grub-legacy ? > > > Hi, > > What would you think of renaming grub to grub-legacy in SVN ? > > I think it'd help send a strong message that we consider this a legacy branch > and is not open for further development. > > -- > Robert Millan > > The DRM opt-in fallacy: "Your data belongs to us. We will decide when (and > how) you may access your data; but nobody's threatening your freedom: we > still allow you to remove your data and not access it at all." > > > _______________________________________________ > Grub-devel mailing list > Grub-devel@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/grub-devel ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 15+ messages in thread
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