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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Trond Myklebust
	<trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields"
	<bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:58:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090106215831.GE18147@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231274682.20316.65.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Trond Myklebust (trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org):
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:02 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Matt Helsley (matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org):
> > > We can often specify the UTS namespace to use when starting an RPC client.
> > > However sometimes no UTS namespace is available (specifically during system
> > > shutdown as the last NFS mount in a container is unmounted) so fall
> > > back to the initial UTS namespace.
> > 
> > So what happens if we take this patch and do nothing else?
> > 
> > The only potential problem situation will be rpc requests
> > made on behalf of a container in which the last task has
> > exited, right?  So let's say a container did an nfs mount
> > and then exits, causing an nfs umount request.
> > 
> > That umount request will now be sent with the wrong nodename.
> > Does that actually cause problems, will the server use the
> > nodename to try and determine the client sending the request?
> 
> The NFSv2/v3 umount rpc call will be sent by the 'umount' program from
> userspace, not the kernel. The problem here is that because lazy mounts
> exist, the lifetime of the RPC client may be longer than that of the

Right that was what i was referring to.

> container. In addition, it may be shared among more than 1 container,
> because superblocks can be shared.

Good point.  And in that case what do we care about (even though
apparently we just might not care at all :) - who did the mount,
or who is using it?

In fact one thing I noticed in Matt's patch 3 was that he copied
in the nodename verbatim, so a future hostname() by the container
wouldn't be reflected, again not sure if that would matter.

> One thing you need to be aware of here is that inode dirty data
> writebacks may be initiated by completely different processes than the
> one that dirtied the inode.

Right, but I *was* thinking that we wanted to associate the nodename
on the rpc calls with the hostname of the mounter, not the actor.  Maybe
you'll tell me above that that is bogus.

> IOW: Aside from being extremely ugly, approaches like [PATCH 4/4] which
> rely on being able to determine the container-specific node name at RPC
> generation time are therefore going to return incorrect values.

So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
current->utsname() == NULL?

-serge
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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linux Containers
	<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:58:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090106215831.GE18147@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231274682.20316.65.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Trond Myklebust (trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no):
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:02 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Matt Helsley (matthltc@us.ibm.com):
> > > We can often specify the UTS namespace to use when starting an RPC client.
> > > However sometimes no UTS namespace is available (specifically during system
> > > shutdown as the last NFS mount in a container is unmounted) so fall
> > > back to the initial UTS namespace.
> > 
> > So what happens if we take this patch and do nothing else?
> > 
> > The only potential problem situation will be rpc requests
> > made on behalf of a container in which the last task has
> > exited, right?  So let's say a container did an nfs mount
> > and then exits, causing an nfs umount request.
> > 
> > That umount request will now be sent with the wrong nodename.
> > Does that actually cause problems, will the server use the
> > nodename to try and determine the client sending the request?
> 
> The NFSv2/v3 umount rpc call will be sent by the 'umount' program from
> userspace, not the kernel. The problem here is that because lazy mounts
> exist, the lifetime of the RPC client may be longer than that of the

Right that was what i was referring to.

> container. In addition, it may be shared among more than 1 container,
> because superblocks can be shared.

Good point.  And in that case what do we care about (even though
apparently we just might not care at all :) - who did the mount,
or who is using it?

In fact one thing I noticed in Matt's patch 3 was that he copied
in the nodename verbatim, so a future hostname() by the container
wouldn't be reflected, again not sure if that would matter.

> One thing you need to be aware of here is that inode dirty data
> writebacks may be initiated by completely different processes than the
> one that dirtied the inode.

Right, but I *was* thinking that we wanted to associate the nodename
on the rpc calls with the hostname of the mounter, not the actor.  Maybe
you'll tell me above that that is bogus.

> IOW: Aside from being extremely ugly, approaches like [PATCH 4/4] which
> rely on being able to determine the container-specific node name at RPC
> generation time are therefore going to return incorrect values.

So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
current->utsname() == NULL?

-serge

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>
To: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
Cc: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>,
	Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
	Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 15:58:31 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090106215831.GE18147@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231274682.20316.65.camel@heimdal.trondhjem.org>

Quoting Trond Myklebust (trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no):
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 14:02 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Matt Helsley (matthltc@us.ibm.com):
> > > We can often specify the UTS namespace to use when starting an RPC client.
> > > However sometimes no UTS namespace is available (specifically during system
> > > shutdown as the last NFS mount in a container is unmounted) so fall
> > > back to the initial UTS namespace.
> > 
> > So what happens if we take this patch and do nothing else?
> > 
> > The only potential problem situation will be rpc requests
> > made on behalf of a container in which the last task has
> > exited, right?  So let's say a container did an nfs mount
> > and then exits, causing an nfs umount request.
> > 
> > That umount request will now be sent with the wrong nodename.
> > Does that actually cause problems, will the server use the
> > nodename to try and determine the client sending the request?
> 
> The NFSv2/v3 umount rpc call will be sent by the 'umount' program from
> userspace, not the kernel. The problem here is that because lazy mounts
> exist, the lifetime of the RPC client may be longer than that of the

Right that was what i was referring to.

> container. In addition, it may be shared among more than 1 container,
> because superblocks can be shared.

Good point.  And in that case what do we care about (even though
apparently we just might not care at all :) - who did the mount,
or who is using it?

In fact one thing I noticed in Matt's patch 3 was that he copied
in the nodename verbatim, so a future hostname() by the container
wouldn't be reflected, again not sure if that would matter.

> One thing you need to be aware of here is that inode dirty data
> writebacks may be initiated by completely different processes than the
> one that dirtied the inode.

Right, but I *was* thinking that we wanted to associate the nodename
on the rpc calls with the hostname of the mounter, not the actor.  Maybe
you'll tell me above that that is bogus.

> IOW: Aside from being extremely ugly, approaches like [PATCH 4/4] which
> rely on being able to determine the container-specific node name at RPC
> generation time are therefore going to return incorrect values.

So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
current->utsname() == NULL?

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-01-06 21:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-06  1:13 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] utsns: RPC/NFS bug rework Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] Remove useless utsname.h includes Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]   ` <20090106011314.961946803-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 20:02     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 20:02       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 20:02       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]       ` <20090106200229.GA17031-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 20:20         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 20:20           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 20:20           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]           ` <20090106202046.GF5901-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 21:53             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:53               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:53               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]               ` <20090106215324.GD18147-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:35                 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:35                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:35                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43             ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 20:44         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 20:44           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 20:44           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]           ` <1231274682.20316.65.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 21:58             ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2009-01-06 21:58               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:58               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 22:42               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1231281732.4173.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:08                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:08                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:08                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:20                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1231287619.11487.2.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:43                         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:43                           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:43                           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:10                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:10                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:10                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:20                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:20                       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                       ` <20090107002024.GJ13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:23                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:23                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:23                           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                           ` <1231287791.11487.4.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  3:44                             ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:44                               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:44                               ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]               ` <20090106215831.GE18147-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:04                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:04                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:04                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <m1eizg11fy.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:15                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:15                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:15                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                       ` <1231283734.8041.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:32                         ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:32                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:32                           ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                           ` <20090106233238.GD13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:35                             ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:35                               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:35                               ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                               ` <1231284943.8041.8.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:48                                 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:48                                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:48                                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:51                                 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:51                                   ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:51                                   ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:53                                 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:53                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:53                                   ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                   ` <20090106235322.GE13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:07                                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:07                                       ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:07                                       ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:55                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  0:55                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  0:55                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  0:20                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                                       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:20                                   ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                   ` <1231287607.11487.0.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:26                                     ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:26                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  0:26                                       ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                       ` <20090107002608.GK13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:38                                         ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:38                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  0:38                                           ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                           ` <1231288706.11487.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  1:44                                             ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  1:44                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07  1:44                                               ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]                                               ` <20090107014422.GA17913-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  1:50                                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:50                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:50                                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  2:37                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  2:37                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07  2:37                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:30                 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:30                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:30                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18             ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18               ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:43               ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:43                 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:43                 ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                 ` <1231285417.8041.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:58                   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:58                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:58                     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:29         ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 22:29           ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 22:29           ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]           ` <FB1BAB9F-25D4-449F-A66D-D1CC705F3741-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:01             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-07  0:01               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-07  0:01               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] sunrpc: Improve UTS namespace workaround Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]   ` <20090106011315.100081168-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 16:02     ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 16:02       ` Chuck Lever
     [not found]       ` <E184097A-C995-4C92-9608-A97B43E750E0-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:28         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:28           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:28           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:02         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:02           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  3:02           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] Represent RPC Callers Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06  1:13   ` Matt Helsley
     [not found]   ` <20090106011315.229045829-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 13:04     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 13:04       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]       ` <1231247062.7127.36.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:05         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:05           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:05           ` Matt Helsley
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-07  0:39 [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA
2009-01-07  0:39 ` trond.myklebust
2009-01-07  0:39 ` trond.myklebust
     [not found] ` <ae2fa56f38f87da3a90ab6fe39954b2b.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3pn8CWWHJlTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  0:57   ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:57     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  0:57     ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:02     ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:02       ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07  1:02       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]       ` <1231290153.11487.34.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07  1:22         ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:22           ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07  1:22           ` Matt Helsley

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