From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Trond Myklebust
<trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Linux Containers
<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman"
<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
Linux Containers
<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:20:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090107002024.GJ13785@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231286930.14345.196.camel@localhost>
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:08:50PM -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 17:42 -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 15:58 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >
> > > So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
> > > using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
> > > current->utsname() == NULL?
> >
> > No. I'm don't think that 2/4 is correct either. Basically, 2/4 is saying
> > that the container that first mounts the filesystem 'owns' it. However
> > at the same time we know that the lifetime of the filesystem is in no
> > way bounded by the lifetime of the container, and that's what gets you
> > into trouble with 'umount' in the first place.
> >
> > IMO, the current code is the most correct approach, in that it assumes
> > that the filesystems are owned by the 'init' namespace.
>
> IMHO This seems more incorrect than trying to use a more proximal
> namespace.
If it would be possible, for example, for the 'init' namespace to have
no network interfaces at all, then it would be nicer to use a name
that's at least been used with nfs at *some* point--just on the general
principle of not leaking information to a domain that the user wouldn't
expect it to.
(Assuming it's unlikely anyone would consider init's utsname to be
sensitive information, that's a minor point.)
--b.
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-nfs" in
the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Linux Containers
<containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:20:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090107002024.GJ13785@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231286930.14345.196.camel@localhost>
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:08:50PM -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 17:42 -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 15:58 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >
> > > So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
> > > using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
> > > current->utsname() == NULL?
> >
> > No. I'm don't think that 2/4 is correct either. Basically, 2/4 is saying
> > that the container that first mounts the filesystem 'owns' it. However
> > at the same time we know that the lifetime of the filesystem is in no
> > way bounded by the lifetime of the container, and that's what gets you
> > into trouble with 'umount' in the first place.
> >
> > IMO, the current code is the most correct approach, in that it assumes
> > that the filesystems are owned by the 'init' namespace.
>
> IMHO This seems more incorrect than trying to use a more proximal
> namespace.
If it would be possible, for example, for the 'init' namespace to have
no network interfaces at all, then it would be nicer to use a name
that's at least been used with nfs at *some* point--just on the general
principle of not leaking information to a domain that the user wouldn't
expect it to.
(Assuming it's unlikely anyone would consider init's utsname to be
sensitive information, that's a minor point.)
--b.
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "J. Bruce Fields" <bfields@fieldses.org>
To: Matt Helsley <matthltc@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>,
"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@oracle.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.osdl.org>,
Cedric Le Goater <clg@fr.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:20:24 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090107002024.GJ13785@fieldses.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1231286930.14345.196.camel@localhost>
On Tue, Jan 06, 2009 at 04:08:50PM -0800, Matt Helsley wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 17:42 -0500, Trond Myklebust wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 15:58 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> >
> > > So should we use patch 2/4, plus (as someone - was it you? - suggested)
> > > using a DEFAULT instead of init_utsname()->nodename when
> > > current->utsname() == NULL?
> >
> > No. I'm don't think that 2/4 is correct either. Basically, 2/4 is saying
> > that the container that first mounts the filesystem 'owns' it. However
> > at the same time we know that the lifetime of the filesystem is in no
> > way bounded by the lifetime of the container, and that's what gets you
> > into trouble with 'umount' in the first place.
> >
> > IMO, the current code is the most correct approach, in that it assumes
> > that the filesystems are owned by the 'init' namespace.
>
> IMHO This seems more incorrect than trying to use a more proximal
> namespace.
If it would be possible, for example, for the 'init' namespace to have
no network interfaces at all, then it would be nicer to use a name
that's at least been used with nfs at *some* point--just on the general
principle of not leaking information to a domain that the user wouldn't
expect it to.
(Assuming it's unlikely anyone would consider init's utsname to be
sensitive information, that's a minor point.)
--b.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-01-07 0:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-01-06 1:13 [RFC][PATCH 0/4] utsns: RPC/NFS bug rework Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/4] Remove useless utsname.h includes Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090106011314.961946803-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 20:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 20:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 20:02 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090106200229.GA17031-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 20:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 20:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 20:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090106202046.GF5901-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 21:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20090106215324.GD18147-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 20:44 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 20:44 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 20:44 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231274682.20316.65.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 21:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 21:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 22:42 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231281732.4173.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:08 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:08 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:08 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231287619.11487.2.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:43 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 1:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:10 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` J. Bruce Fields [this message]
2009-01-07 0:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07 0:20 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090107002024.GJ13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:23 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:23 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231287791.11487.4.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 3:44 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 3:44 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 3:44 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090106215831.GE18147-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:04 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <m1eizg11fy.fsf-B27657KtZYmhTnVgQlOflh2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:15 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:15 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231283734.8041.6.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:32 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090106233238.GD13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:35 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231284943.8041.8.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:48 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:48 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:48 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:51 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:51 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:51 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 23:53 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:53 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-06 23:53 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090106235322.GE13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:07 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:07 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:07 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07 0:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07 0:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:20 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231287607.11487.0.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:26 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07 0:26 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07 0:26 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090107002608.GK13785-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:38 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:38 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 0:38 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231288706.11487.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 1:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07 1:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
2009-01-07 1:44 ` J. Bruce Fields
[not found] ` <20090107014422.GA17913-uC3wQj2KruNg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 1:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:50 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 2:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07 2:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-07 2:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-01-06 23:30 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:30 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:30 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:18 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:43 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 23:43 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231285417.8041.15.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:58 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:58 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:58 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 22:29 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 22:29 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 22:29 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <FB1BAB9F-25D4-449F-A66D-D1CC705F3741-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-07 0:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-07 0:01 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-01-06 1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 3/4] sunrpc: Improve UTS namespace workaround Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090106011315.100081168-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 16:02 ` Chuck Lever
2009-01-06 16:02 ` Chuck Lever
[not found] ` <E184097A-C995-4C92-9608-A97B43E750E0-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:28 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:28 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:28 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 3:02 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 3:02 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 3:02 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/4] Represent RPC Callers Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 1:13 ` Matt Helsley
[not found] ` <20090106011315.229045829-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 13:04 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-06 13:04 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231247062.7127.36.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-06 23:05 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:05 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-06 23:05 ` Matt Helsley
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-01-07 0:39 [RFC][PATCH 2/4] sunrpc: Use utsnamespaces trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA
2009-01-07 0:39 ` trond.myklebust
2009-01-07 0:39 ` trond.myklebust
[not found] ` <ae2fa56f38f87da3a90ab6fe39954b2b.squirrel-2RFepEojUI3pn8CWWHJlTg@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 0:57 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:57 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 0:57 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 1:02 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:02 ` Trond Myklebust
2009-01-07 1:02 ` Trond Myklebust
[not found] ` <1231290153.11487.34.camel-rJ7iovZKK19ZJLDQqaL3InhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2009-01-07 1:22 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 1:22 ` Matt Helsley
2009-01-07 1:22 ` Matt Helsley
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20090107002024.GJ13785@fieldses.org \
--to=bfields-uc3wqj2krung9huczpvpmw@public.gmane.org \
--cc=chuck.lever-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=clg-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org \
--cc=ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org \
--cc=linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=linux-nfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=matthltc-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org \
--cc=trond.myklebust-41N18TsMXrtuMpJDpNschA@public.gmane.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.