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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Eric Sesterhenn <snakebyte@gmx.de>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:59:16 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090205085916.GP24173@disturbed> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090204182951.GC4797@elf.ucw.cz>

On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 07:29:51PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sun 2009-02-01 12:40:50, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 05:27:11PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > On Wed 2009-01-21 15:00:42, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > +	  Turning this option on will result in kernel panicking any ti=
me
> > > +	  it detects on-disk corruption.
> >=20
> > Thin end of a wedge. There's a couple of thousand conditions that
> > CONFIG_XFS_DEBUG introduces kernel panics on:
> >=20
> > $ grep -r ASSERT fs/xfs |wc -l
> > 2095
> >=20
> >=20
> > CONFIG_*_DEBUG means include *debug* code there to help developers,
> > including adding additional failure tests into the kernel. Besides,
> > which bit of "don't turn it on unless you are an XFS developer"
> > don't you understand?
>=20
> Yes, but DEBUG code is normally to help debugging, not to crash
> kernels.

Crashing the kernel at exactly the point a problem is detected
is often the simplest way of debugging the problem.

e.g. CONFIG_VM_DEBUG=3Dy turns on VM_BUG_ON() which crashes the kernel
whenever it detects something wrong. Do I turn it on? Yes. Do i
complain about it when I hit a VM_BUG_ON()? No, I report the
bug and move on. If you turn on a DEBUG option, then you are
asking the system to behave in a way useful to a developer,
not an end user. That includes panicing when something wrong
is detected.

> IMO xfs should use errors=3Dpanic mount option as ext3 does,
> but...

We already have an equivalent:

/proc/sys/fs/xfs/panic_mask

The mask is empty on production kernels and can be selectively
turned on (depending on what error type you want to panic on).
CONFIG_XFS_DEBUG turns them all on by default so we can, we=C4=BCl, pan=
ic
the system and debug any problem that occurs....

Cheers,

Dave,
--=20
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Eric Sesterhenn <snakebyte@gmx.de>,
	Chris Mason <chris.mason@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:59:16 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090205085916.GP24173@disturbed> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090204182951.GC4797@elf.ucw.cz>

On Wed, Feb 04, 2009 at 07:29:51PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sun 2009-02-01 12:40:50, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 05:27:11PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > On Wed 2009-01-21 15:00:42, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > > +	  Turning this option on will result in kernel panicking any time
> > > +	  it detects on-disk corruption.
> > 
> > Thin end of a wedge. There's a couple of thousand conditions that
> > CONFIG_XFS_DEBUG introduces kernel panics on:
> > 
> > $ grep -r ASSERT fs/xfs |wc -l
> > 2095
> > 
> > 
> > CONFIG_*_DEBUG means include *debug* code there to help developers,
> > including adding additional failure tests into the kernel. Besides,
> > which bit of "don't turn it on unless you are an XFS developer"
> > don't you understand?
> 
> Yes, but DEBUG code is normally to help debugging, not to crash
> kernels.

Crashing the kernel at exactly the point a problem is detected
is often the simplest way of debugging the problem.

e.g. CONFIG_VM_DEBUG=y turns on VM_BUG_ON() which crashes the kernel
whenever it detects something wrong. Do I turn it on? Yes. Do i
complain about it when I hit a VM_BUG_ON()? No, I report the
bug and move on. If you turn on a DEBUG option, then you are
asking the system to behave in a way useful to a developer,
not an end user. That includes panicing when something wrong
is detected.

> IMO xfs should use errors=panic mount option as ext3 does,
> but...

We already have an equivalent:

/proc/sys/fs/xfs/panic_mask

The mask is empty on production kernels and can be selectively
turned on (depending on what error type you want to panic on).
CONFIG_XFS_DEBUG turns them all on by default so we can, weļl, panic
the system and debug any problem that occurs....

Cheers,

Dave,
-- 
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com

  reply	other threads:[~2009-02-05  8:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-01-13 14:21 Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-13 14:40 ` Chris Mason
2009-01-13 14:43   ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-15  2:13     ` Chris Mason
2009-01-18 17:40     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-20  6:31       ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-20  9:34         ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-20 10:11         ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-20 10:15           ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-20 12:59             ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-20 13:28               ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-20 22:20                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-21  4:00                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-26 16:27                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-26 20:06                       ` [Discussion] Apparent inconsistancies in use of io_align, io_width & sector_size ashford
2009-02-01  1:40                       ` Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image Dave Chinner
2009-02-04 18:29                         ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05  8:59                           ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2009-02-05  8:59                             ` Dave Chinner
2009-02-05  9:02                             ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 13:02                               ` Chris Mason
2009-02-05 13:50                                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-02-05 14:19                                   ` jim owens
2009-02-25 19:54                                     ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-20 17:34               ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-20 22:18                 ` Pavel Machek
2009-01-21  9:36                   ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-21  3:57                 ` Corrupted XFS log replay oops. (was Re: Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image) Dave Chinner
2009-01-21  3:57                   ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-21  4:03                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-01-22  4:37                     ` [PATCH] Re: Corrupted XFS log replay oops Dave Chinner
2009-01-22  4:37                       ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-22  5:50                       ` Felix Blyakher
2009-01-22  5:50                         ` Felix Blyakher
2009-01-22  6:11                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-22  6:11                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-22  8:35                         ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-22  8:35                           ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-22 10:06                         ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-22 10:06                           ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-22 23:37                           ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-22 23:37                             ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-23  1:10                             ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-23  1:10                               ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-22 23:35                         ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-22 23:35                           ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-23  0:02                         ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-23  0:02                           ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-23  0:06                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-23  0:06                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2009-01-23  6:20                             ` Felix Blyakher
2009-01-23  6:20                               ` Felix Blyakher
2009-02-03 20:48                       ` Eric Sandeen
2009-01-21  4:03                   ` Corrupted XFS log replay oops. (was Re: Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image) Dave Chinner
2009-01-21  4:03                     ` Dave Chinner
2009-01-20 13:11         ` Warning and BUG with btrfs and corrupted image Chris Mason
2009-01-20 16:51           ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-22  2:15             ` Phillip Lougher
2009-01-23  8:56               ` Eric Sesterhenn
2009-01-23  8:56                 ` Eric Sesterhenn

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