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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "ogerlitz@voltaire.com" <ogerlitz@voltaire.com>,
	"herbert@gondor.apana.org.au" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@hp.com>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul Congdon (UC Davis)" <ptcongdon@ucdavis.edu>,
	"evb@yahoogroups.com" <evb@yahoogroups.com>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH] macvlan: add tap device backend
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:32:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090810193227.GA16820@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908102104.54527.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:04:54PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 10 August 2009, Fischer, Anna wrote:
> > If you compare macvtap with traditional QEMU networking interfaces that
> > are typically used in current bridged setups, then yes, performance will be
> > different. However, I think that this is not necessarily a fair 
> > comparison, and the performance difference does not come from the 
> > bridge being slow, but simply because you have implemented a better
> > solution to connect a virtual interface to a backend device that
> > can be assigned to a VM. There is no reason why you could not do this
> > for a bridge port as well.
> 
> It's not necessarily the bridge itself being slow (though some people
> claim it is) but more the bridge preventing optimizations or making
> them hard.
> 
> You already mentioned hardware filtering by unicast and multicast
> mac addresses, which macvlan already does (for unicast) but which would be
> relatively complex with a bridge due to the way it does MAC address
> learning.
> 
> If we want to do zero copy receives, the hardware will on top of
> this have to choose the receive buffer based on the mac address,
> with the buffer provided by the guest. I think this is not easy
> with macvlan but doable, while I have no idea where you would start
> using the bridge code.
> 
> 	Arnd <><

Similar thing for zero copy sends. You need to know when
the buffers have been consumed to notify userspace,
and this is very hard with a generic bridge in the middle.


-- 
MST

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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: "Fischer, Anna" <anna.fischer@hp.com>,
	"Paul Congdon (UC Davis)" <ptcongdon@ucdavis.edu>,
	"drobbins@funtoo.org" <drobbins@funtoo.org>,
	"herbert@gondor.apana.org.au" <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org" 
	<bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"ogerlitz@voltaire.com" <ogerlitz@voltaire.com>,
	"evb@yahoogroups.com" <evb@yahoogroups.com>,
	"davem@davemloft.net" <davem@davemloft.net>
Subject: Re: [Bridge] [PATCH] macvlan: add tap device backend
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:32:27 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20090810193227.GA16820@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200908102104.54527.arnd@arndb.de>

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 09:04:54PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Monday 10 August 2009, Fischer, Anna wrote:
> > If you compare macvtap with traditional QEMU networking interfaces that
> > are typically used in current bridged setups, then yes, performance will be
> > different. However, I think that this is not necessarily a fair 
> > comparison, and the performance difference does not come from the 
> > bridge being slow, but simply because you have implemented a better
> > solution to connect a virtual interface to a backend device that
> > can be assigned to a VM. There is no reason why you could not do this
> > for a bridge port as well.
> 
> It's not necessarily the bridge itself being slow (though some people
> claim it is) but more the bridge preventing optimizations or making
> them hard.
> 
> You already mentioned hardware filtering by unicast and multicast
> mac addresses, which macvlan already does (for unicast) but which would be
> relatively complex with a bridge due to the way it does MAC address
> learning.
> 
> If we want to do zero copy receives, the hardware will on top of
> this have to choose the receive buffer based on the mac address,
> with the buffer provided by the guest. I think this is not easy
> with macvlan but doable, while I have no idea where you would start
> using the bridge code.
> 
> 	Arnd <><

Similar thing for zero copy sends. You need to know when
the buffers have been consumed to notify userspace,
and this is very hard with a generic bridge in the middle.


-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-10 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-08-07 19:10 ` [Bridge] [PATCH] macvlan: add tap device backend Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 19:10   ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 19:10   ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 19:35   ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-07 19:35     ` Stephen Hemminger
2009-08-07 19:44     ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-07 19:44       ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-07 20:17       ` david
2009-08-07 20:17         ` david
2009-08-07 19:47     ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 19:47       ` Paul Congdon (UC Davis)
2009-08-07 21:38     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 21:38       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 22:05   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07 22:05     ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 12:40     ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 12:40       ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 12:40       ` Fischer, Anna
2009-08-10 19:04       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 19:04         ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 19:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2009-08-10 19:32           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-06 21:50 Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-07  3:20 ` David Miller
2009-08-07 17:35 ` Daniel Robbins
2009-08-07 17:35   ` Daniel Robbins
2009-08-09  8:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-09 20:42   ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10  8:50     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-10 13:29       ` Arnd Bergmann
2009-08-10 13:42         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-08-10  6:47 ` Patrick McHardy
2009-08-10 18:43   ` Arnd Bergmann

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