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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	ming.m.lin@intel.com, "Zhang,
	Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM PMU virtualization
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 09:39:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100301083904.GE19395@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100228161142.GA19879@8bytes.org>


* Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org> wrote:

> >  - It's more secure: the host can have a finegrained policy about what kinds of
> >    events it exposes to the guest. It might chose to only expose software 
> >    events for example.
> 
> What do you mean by software events?

Things like:

aldebaran:~> perf stat -a sleep 1

 Performance counter stats for 'sleep 1':

   15995.719133  task-clock-msecs         #     15.981 CPUs 
           5787  context-switches         #      0.000 M/sec
            210  CPU-migrations           #      0.000 M/sec
         193909  page-faults              #      0.012 M/sec
    28704833507  cycles                   #   1794.532 M/sec  (scaled from 78.69%)
    14387445668  instructions             #      0.501 IPC    (scaled from 90.71%)
      736644616  branches                 #     46.053 M/sec  (scaled from 90.52%)
      695884659  branch-misses            #     94.467 %      (scaled from 90.70%)
      727070678  cache-references         #     45.454 M/sec  (scaled from 88.11%)
     1305560420  cache-misses             #     81.619 M/sec  (scaled from 52.00%)

    1.000942399  seconds time elapsed

These lines:

   15995.719133  task-clock-msecs         #     15.981 CPUs 
           5787  context-switches         #      0.000 M/sec
            210  CPU-migrations           #      0.000 M/sec
         193909  page-faults              #      0.012 M/sec

Are software events of the host - a subset of which could be transparently 
exposed to the guest. Same for tracepoints, probes, etc. Those are not exposed 
by the hardware PMU. So by doing a 'soft' PMU (or even better: a paravirt 
channel to perf events) we gain a lot more than just raw PMU functionality.

'performance events' are about a lot more than just the PMU, it's a coherent 
system health / system events / structured logging framework.

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2010-03-01  8:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-25 15:04 KVM PMU virtualization Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 15:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-02-25 16:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  2:52     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:03     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 17:34 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  2:55   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:51     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  9:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:42         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02  7:09         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-03  3:32             ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03  9:27               ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  0:52                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:15                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  1:00                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-10  9:29                     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26  8:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  9:46     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 10:39       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:51           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:06           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 11:18             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:24               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:25                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:16         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:23         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:51             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 12:20                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:13                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:33                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:07                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:11                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:34                         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 12:56                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:37                     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:27                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:54                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:08                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:11                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:18                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:55                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 16:06                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-01 19:03                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-01 18:54                       ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 13:40                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 16:03                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 16:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:28               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:44                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:51                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:42                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-08 18:14                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:49             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:32                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:12                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:53                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-28 16:34                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:31                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:11                     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  8:39                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2010-03-01  8:58                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  9:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01  8:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 11:11                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01 17:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-01 18:36                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-08 10:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:31                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-03-01 17:22             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 11:01   ` Jes Sorensen

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