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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>, KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	ming.m.lin@intel.com, "Zhang,
	Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM PMU virtualization
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:20:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B87BC74.7050207@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100226120750.GA11578@elte.hu>

On 02/26/2010 02:07 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Avi Kivity<avi@redhat.com>  wrote:
>
>    
>> A native API to the host will lock out 100% of the install base now, and a
>> large section of any future install base.
>>      
> ... which is why i suggested the soft-PMU approach.
>    

Not sure I understand it completely.

Do you mean to take the model specific host pmu events, and expose them 
to the guest via trap'n'emulate?  In that case we may as well assign the 
host pmu to the guest if the host isn't using it, and avoid the traps.

Do you mean to choose some older pmu and emulate it using whatever pmu 
model the host has?  I haven't checked, but aren't there mutually 
exclusive events in every model pair?  The closest thing would be the 
architectural pmu thing.

Or do you mean to define a new, kvm-specific pmu model and feed it off 
the host pmu?  In this case all the guests will need to be taught about 
it, which raises the compatibility problem.

> And note that _any_ solution we offer locks out 100% of the installed base
> right now, as no solution is in the kernel yet. The only question is what kind
> of upgrade effort is needed for users to make use of the feature.
>    

I meant the guest installed base.  Hosts can be upgraded transparently 
to the guests (not even a shutdown/reboot).

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-26 12:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-25 15:04 KVM PMU virtualization Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 15:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-02-25 16:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  2:52     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:03     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 17:34 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  2:55   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:51     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  9:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:42         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02  7:09         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-03  3:32             ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03  9:27               ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  0:52                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:15                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  1:00                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-10  9:29                     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26  8:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  9:46     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 10:39       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:51           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:06           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 11:18             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:24               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:25                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:16         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:23         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:51             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 12:20                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-02-26 12:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:13                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:33                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:07                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:11                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:34                         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 12:56                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:37                     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:27                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:54                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:08                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:11                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:18                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:55                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 16:06                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-01 19:03                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-01 18:54                       ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 13:40                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 16:03                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 16:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:28               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:44                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:51                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:42                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-08 18:14                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:49             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:32                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:12                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:53                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-28 16:34                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:31                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:11                     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  8:39                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01  8:58                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  9:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01  8:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 11:11                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01 17:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-01 18:36                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-08 10:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:31                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-03-01 17:22             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 11:01   ` Jes Sorensen

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