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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>,
	KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>,
	Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	ming.m.lin@intel.com, "Zhang,
	Yanmin" <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM PMU virtualization
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 12:51:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B87A7B1.9000606@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100226104659.GC7463@elte.hu>

On 02/26/2010 12:46 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
>
>>> Right, this will severely limit migration domains to hosts of the same
>>> vendor and processor generation.  There is a  middle ground, though,
>>> Intel has recently moved to define an "architectural pmu" which is not
>>> model specific.  I don't know if AMD adopted it.  We could offer both
>>> options - native host capabilities, with a loss of compatibility, and
>>> the architectural pmu, with loss of model specific counters.
>>>        
>> I only had a quick look yet on the architectural pmu from intel but it looks
>> like it can be emulated for a guest on amd using existing features.
>>      
> AMD CPUs dont have enough events for that, they cannot do the 3 fixed events
> in addition to the 2 generic ones.
>
> Nor do you really want to standardize on KVM guests on returning
> 'GenuineIntel' in CPUID, so that the various guest side OSs use the Intel PMU
> drivers, right?
>
>    

No - that would only work if AMD also adopted the architectural pmu.

Note virtualization clusters are typically split into 'migration pools' 
consisting of hosts with similar processor features, so that you can 
expose those features and yet live migrate guests at will.  It's likely 
that all hosts have the same pmu anyway, so the only downside is that we 
now have to expose the host's processor family and model.

-- 
Do not meddle in the internals of kernels, for they are subtle and quick to panic.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-02-26 10:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-02-25 15:04 KVM PMU virtualization Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 15:44 ` Jan Kiszka
2010-02-25 16:26   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  2:52     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:45       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:03     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-25 17:34 ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  2:55   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-02-26  8:51     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26  9:17       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:42         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:56           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-02  7:09         ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:36           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-03  3:32             ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03  9:27               ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  0:52                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-03 10:15                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-04  1:00                   ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-10  9:29                     ` Zhang, Yanmin
2010-03-02  9:57           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26  8:42   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26  9:46     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 10:39       ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 10:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:51           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2010-02-26 11:06           ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-26 11:18             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:24               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:25                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:20             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 10:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:16         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:47             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 11:23         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 11:42           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 11:51             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:07               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 12:20                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:38                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:13                       ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:27                         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:33                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:07                           ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:11                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:34                         ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 12:56                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:31                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:37                     ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:55                       ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:27                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:54                           ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:08                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:11                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:18                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 15:55                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 16:06                                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-03-01 19:03                                   ` Zachary Amsden
2010-03-01 18:54                       ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 13:40                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:01                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:22                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:37                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 16:03                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 16:07                               ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:28               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:44                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:51                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 14:42                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-08 18:14                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 12:49             ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:06               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 13:32                   ` Jes Sorensen
2010-02-26 13:44                   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 13:53                     ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:12                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-02-26 14:53                         ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 15:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-28 16:34                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:31                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-02-28 16:11                     ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  8:39                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01  8:58                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01  9:04                           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01  8:44                       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-03-01 11:11                         ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-01 17:17                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-03-01 18:36                             ` Joerg Roedel
2010-03-08 10:15                             ` Avi Kivity
2010-02-26 14:49                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 14:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-02-26 13:31                 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-03-01 17:22             ` Zachary Amsden
2010-02-26 11:01   ` Jes Sorensen

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