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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:29:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100826182904.GC6805@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282835656-5638-3-git-send-email-mel@csn.ul.ie>

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:14:15PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> If congestion_wait() is called when there is no congestion, the caller
> will wait for the full timeout. This can cause unreasonable and
> unnecessary stalls. There are a number of potential modifications that
> could be made to wake sleepers but this patch measures how serious the
> problem is. It keeps count of how many congested BDIs there are. If
> congestion_wait() is called with no BDIs congested, the tracepoint will
> record that the wait was unnecessary.

I am not convinced that unnecessary is the right word.  On a workload
without any IO (i.e. no congestion_wait() necessary, ever), I noticed
the VM regressing both in time and in reclaiming the right pages when
simply removing congestion_wait() from the direct reclaim paths (the
one in __alloc_pages_slowpath and the other one in
do_try_to_free_pages).

So just being stupid and waiting for the timeout in direct reclaim
while kswapd can make progress seemed to do a better job for that
load.

I can not exactly pinpoint the reason for that behaviour, it would be
nice if somebody had an idea.

So personally I think it's a good idea to get an insight on the use of
congestion_wait() [patch 1] but I don't agree with changing its
behaviour just yet, or judging its usefulness solely on whether it
correctly waits for bdi congestion.

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christian Ehrhardt <ehrhardt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:29:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100826182904.GC6805@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1282835656-5638-3-git-send-email-mel@csn.ul.ie>

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 04:14:15PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> If congestion_wait() is called when there is no congestion, the caller
> will wait for the full timeout. This can cause unreasonable and
> unnecessary stalls. There are a number of potential modifications that
> could be made to wake sleepers but this patch measures how serious the
> problem is. It keeps count of how many congested BDIs there are. If
> congestion_wait() is called with no BDIs congested, the tracepoint will
> record that the wait was unnecessary.

I am not convinced that unnecessary is the right word.  On a workload
without any IO (i.e. no congestion_wait() necessary, ever), I noticed
the VM regressing both in time and in reclaiming the right pages when
simply removing congestion_wait() from the direct reclaim paths (the
one in __alloc_pages_slowpath and the other one in
do_try_to_free_pages).

So just being stupid and waiting for the timeout in direct reclaim
while kswapd can make progress seemed to do a better job for that
load.

I can not exactly pinpoint the reason for that behaviour, it would be
nice if somebody had an idea.

So personally I think it's a good idea to get an insight on the use of
congestion_wait() [patch 1] but I don't agree with changing its
behaviour just yet, or judging its usefulness solely on whether it
correctly waits for bdi congestion.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-08-26 18:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-26 15:14 [RFC PATCH 0/3] Do not wait the full timeout on congestion_wait when there is no congestion Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14 ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 1/3] writeback: Account for time spent congestion_waited Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:23   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:23     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 18:10   ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 18:10     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 2/3] writeback: Record if the congestion was unnecessary Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:35   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:35     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:41     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:41       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 18:29   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2010-08-26 18:29     ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 20:31     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 20:31       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  2:12       ` Shaohua Li
2010-08-27  2:12         ` Shaohua Li
2010-08-27  9:20         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:20           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  8:16       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-27  8:16         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-27  9:24         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:24           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-30 13:19           ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-31 15:02             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-31 15:02               ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 15:49               ` Johannes Weiner
2010-09-02 15:49                 ` Johannes Weiner
2010-09-02 18:28                 ` Mel Gorman
2010-09-02 18:28                   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-29 16:03     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-29 16:03       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 15:14 ` [PATCH 3/3] writeback: Do not congestion sleep when there are no congested BDIs Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 15:14   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:38   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:38     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:42     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:42       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 18:17       ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 18:17         ` Johannes Weiner
2010-08-26 20:23         ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 20:23           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  1:11           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:11             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:34             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:34               ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  1:42         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:42           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:37           ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:37             ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  5:13   ` Dave Chinner
2010-08-27  5:13     ` Dave Chinner
2010-08-27  9:33     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:33       ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:20 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] Do not wait the full timeout on congestion_wait when there is no congestion Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:20   ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:31   ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:31     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-26 17:50     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-26 17:50       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  1:21   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:21     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:41     ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  1:41       ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  1:50       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  1:50         ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  2:02         ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  2:02           ` Minchan Kim
2010-08-27  4:34           ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  4:34             ` Wu Fengguang
2010-08-27  9:38     ` Mel Gorman
2010-08-27  9:38       ` Mel Gorman

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