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From: Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
To: Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>
Cc: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"yinghai@kernel.org" <yinghai@kernel.org>,
	"andi@firstfloor.org" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	"peterz@infradead.org" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"ying.huang@intel.com" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"fweisbec@gmail.com" <fweisbec@gmail.com>,
	"ming.m.lin@intel.com" <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	"tglx@linutronix.de" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"mingo@elte.hu" <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Catch spurious interrupts after disabling counters
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:12:46 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100930091246.GV13563@erda.amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimp=+1GzBOYaUZWtDF6teGt6FZe+RTpb9fAyOyd@mail.gmail.com>

On 29.09.10 15:42:26, Stephane Eranian wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com> wrote:
> > I think you missed Stephane's point.  Say for example, kgdb is being used
> > while we are doing stuff with the perf counter (and say kgdb's handler is
> > a lower priority than perf; which isn't true I know, but let's say):
> >
> Yes, exactly my point. The reality is you cannot afford to have false positive
> because you may starve another subsystem from an important notification.

As soon as you stop executing the chain, there are chances to miss an
nmi for other parts of the system. Where is no way to avoid this. So
your argument above is valid also for regular perf nmis and not only
for catched-spurious or back-to-back nmis.

> > Now I sent a patch last week that can prevent that extra NMI from being
> > generated at the cost of another rdmsrl in the non-pmu_stop cases (which I
> > will attach below again, obviously P4 would need something similar too).

A rdmsrl() does not help, it only causes overhead. There is no bit to
detect if a counter overflowed and triggered the interrupt, you only
know the counter value is greater zero or not.

We should take care the discussion becomes not academical and do not
start to overengineer something. I always can imagine some really rare
corner cases in which we may loss an nmi. This is because hardware is
not built for it. But in 99% or so of the cases we get all nmis,
instead of before where all nmis were eaten by the profiler.

-Robert

-- 
Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
Operating System Research Center


  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-30  9:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-02 19:07 [PATCH 0/3 v2] nmi perf fixes Don Zickus
2010-09-02 19:07 ` [PATCH 1/3] perf, x86: Fix accidentally ack'ing a second event on intel perf counter Don Zickus
2010-09-02 19:26   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-02 20:00     ` Don Zickus
2010-09-02 20:36       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-03  7:10   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Don Zickus
2010-09-03  7:39     ` Yinghai Lu
2010-09-03 15:00       ` Don Zickus
2010-09-03 17:15         ` Yinghai Lu
2010-09-03 18:35           ` Don Zickus
2010-09-03 19:24             ` Yinghai Lu
2010-09-03 20:10               ` Don Zickus
2010-10-04 23:24             ` Yinghai Lu
2010-10-11 20:25               ` Don Zickus
2010-09-02 19:07 ` [PATCH 2/3] perf, x86: Try to handle unknown nmis with an enabled PMU Don Zickus
2010-09-03  7:11   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Robert Richter
2010-09-02 19:07 ` [PATCH 3/3] perf, x86: Fix handle_irq return values Don Zickus
2010-09-03  7:10   ` [tip:perf/urgent] " tip-bot for Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-10 11:41 ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] nmi perf fixes Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-10 12:10   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-10 12:13     ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-10 13:27   ` Don Zickus
2010-09-10 14:46     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-10 15:17       ` Robert Richter
2010-09-10 15:58         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-10 16:41           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-10 16:42             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-10 16:37         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-10 16:51           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-10 15:56       ` [PATCH] x86: fix duplicate calls of the nmi handler Robert Richter
2010-09-10 16:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-11  9:41         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-11 11:44           ` Robert Richter
2010-09-11 12:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2010-09-12  9:52               ` Robert Richter
2010-09-13 14:37                 ` Robert Richter
2010-09-14 17:41                   ` Robert Richter
2010-09-15 16:20                     ` [PATCH] perf, x86: catch spurious interrupts after disabling counters Robert Richter
2010-09-15 16:36                       ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-15 17:00                         ` Robert Richter
2010-09-15 17:32                           ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-15 18:44                             ` Robert Richter
2010-09-15 19:34                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-15 20:21                                 ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-15 20:39                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-15 22:27                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-09-16 14:51                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-09-15 16:46                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-15 16:47                         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-15 17:02                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-15 17:28                             ` Robert Richter
2010-09-15 17:40                               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-15 22:10                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-09-16  6:53                                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-16 17:34                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-17  8:51                         ` Robert Richter
2010-09-17  9:14                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-17 13:06                       ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-20  8:41                         ` Robert Richter
2010-09-24  0:02                       ` Don Zickus
2010-09-24  3:18                         ` Don Zickus
2010-09-24 10:03                           ` Robert Richter
2010-09-24 13:38                             ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-30 12:33                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-24 18:11                             ` Don Zickus
2010-09-24 10:41                       ` [tip:perf/urgent] perf, x86: Catch " tip-bot for Robert Richter
2010-09-29 12:26                         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 12:53                           ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 12:54                             ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 13:13                               ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 13:28                                 ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 15:01                                   ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 15:12                                     ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 15:27                                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-29 15:33                                         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 15:45                                           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-29 15:51                                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-29 16:32                                               ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 16:48                                                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-29 16:00                                             ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 17:09                                               ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 17:41                                                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-29 18:12                                                 ` Don Zickus
2010-09-29 19:42                                                   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 20:03                                                     ` Don Zickus
2010-09-30  9:12                                                     ` Robert Richter [this message]
2010-09-30 19:44                                                       ` Don Zickus
2010-10-01  7:17                                                         ` Robert Richter
     [not found]                                                           ` <AANLkTimUyLaVaBigjm0-CwRsdh4UXWDiss2ffX53S+k_@mail.gmail.com>
2010-10-01 11:53                                                             ` Stephane Eranian
2010-10-02  9:35                                                               ` Robert Richter
2010-10-04  8:53                                                                 ` Stephane Eranian
2010-10-04  9:07                                                                   ` Andi Kleen
2010-10-04 17:28                                                                     ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 16:31                                           ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 16:22                                         ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 19:01                                         ` Don Zickus
2010-09-29 13:39                                 ` Robert Richter
2010-09-29 13:56                                   ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 14:00                                     ` Stephane Eranian
2010-10-02  9:50                                       ` Robert Richter
2010-10-02 17:40                                         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-29 15:02                                     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-16 17:42         ` [PATCH] x86: fix duplicate calls of the nmi handler Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-16 20:18           ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-17  7:09             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-17  0:13           ` Huang Ying
2010-09-17  7:52             ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-17  8:13               ` Robert Richter
2010-09-17  8:37                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-17  8:47               ` Huang Ying
2010-09-10 13:34   ` [PATCH 0/3 v2] nmi perf fixes Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-10 13:52     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-09-13  8:55       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-13  9:54         ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-13 10:07           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2010-09-13 10:10             ` Stephane Eranian
2010-09-13 10:12               ` Cyrill Gorcunov

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