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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] ARM: Gemini: Add support for PCI BUS
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:45:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201011291745.22566.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CF3CF33.20407@gmail.com>

On Monday 29 November 2010, Paulius Zaleckas wrote:
> > The I/O ordering is probably not what you think it is.
> > There is no ordering guarantee between __raw_writel and
> > spin_lock/spin_unlock, so you really should be using
> > readl/writel.
> 
> No he really should NOT use readl/writel. The ONLY difference
> between readl/writel and __raw_readl/__raw_writel is endianess
> conversion. __raw_*l is not doing it. Which to use depend only
> on HW.

There are many differences between readl and __raw_readl, including

* __raw_readl does not have barriers and does not serialize with
  spinlocks, so it breaks on out-of-order CPUs.
* __raw_readl does not have a specific endianess, while readl is
  fixed little-endian, just as the hardware is in this case.
  The endian-conversion is a NOP on little-endian ARM, but required
  if you actually run on a big-endian ARM (you don't).
* __raw_readl may not be atomic, gcc is free to split the access
  into byte wise reads (it normally does not, unless you mark
  the pointer __attribute__((packed))).

In essence, it is almost never a good idea to use __raw_readl, and
the double underscores should tell you so.

	Arnd

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Paulius Zaleckas <paulius.zaleckas@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	Hans Ulli Kroll <ulli.kroll@googlemail.com>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ARM: Gemini: Add support for PCI BUS
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:45:22 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <201011291745.22566.arnd@arndb.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CF3CF33.20407@gmail.com>

On Monday 29 November 2010, Paulius Zaleckas wrote:
> > The I/O ordering is probably not what you think it is.
> > There is no ordering guarantee between __raw_writel and
> > spin_lock/spin_unlock, so you really should be using
> > readl/writel.
> 
> No he really should NOT use readl/writel. The ONLY difference
> between readl/writel and __raw_readl/__raw_writel is endianess
> conversion. __raw_*l is not doing it. Which to use depend only
> on HW.

There are many differences between readl and __raw_readl, including

* __raw_readl does not have barriers and does not serialize with
  spinlocks, so it breaks on out-of-order CPUs.
* __raw_readl does not have a specific endianess, while readl is
  fixed little-endian, just as the hardware is in this case.
  The endian-conversion is a NOP on little-endian ARM, but required
  if you actually run on a big-endian ARM (you don't).
* __raw_readl may not be atomic, gcc is free to split the access
  into byte wise reads (it normally does not, unless you mark
  the pointer __attribute__((packed))).

In essence, it is almost never a good idea to use __raw_readl, and
the double underscores should tell you so.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2010-11-29 16:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-11-27 12:24 [PATCH] ARM: Gemini: Add support for PCI BUS Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-27 12:24 ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-28 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-28 19:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 12:17   ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 12:17     ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 15:02     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 15:02       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 16:05   ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 16:05     ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 16:45     ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2010-11-29 16:45       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 18:52       ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 18:52         ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 20:02         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 20:02           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 20:19           ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 20:19             ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-30  8:15             ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-30  8:15               ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-30  9:34               ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-30  9:34                 ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-12-01 11:52                 ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-12-01 11:52                   ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-12-01 13:08                   ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-12-01 13:08                     ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-12-01 15:02                     ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-12-01 15:02                       ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-12-06 10:51       ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-12-06 10:51         ` Sergei Shtylyov
2010-12-06 12:18         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-06 12:18           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 19:32     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-29 19:32       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-29 19:57       ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-29 19:57         ` Paulius Zaleckas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-11-20 14:27 [PATCH] ARM: Gemini: Add support for PCI Bus Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-20 14:27 ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-20 19:30 ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-20 19:30   ` Paulius Zaleckas
2010-11-26 11:18   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-26 11:18     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-26 11:57 ` Michał Mirosław
2010-11-26 11:57   ` Michał Mirosław
2010-11-27 12:16   ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-27 12:16     ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-27 13:01     ` Michał Mirosław
2010-11-27 13:01       ` Michał Mirosław
2010-11-27 15:39       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-27 15:39         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29  8:12         ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29  8:12           ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 14:22         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-29 14:22           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-29 14:50           ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 14:50             ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 15:57             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 15:57               ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-30 15:38               ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-30 15:38                 ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-30 16:05               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-30 16:05                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-30 16:19                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-30 16:19                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-12-01 15:05                   ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-12-01 15:05                     ` Hans Ulli Kroll
2010-11-29 15:50           ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-11-29 15:50             ` Arnd Bergmann

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