From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
Itaru Kitayama <kitayama@cl.bb4u.ne.jp>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:45:47 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110421004547.GD1814@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110420025321.GA14398@localhost>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:53:21AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:21:20AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:56:16PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > I actually started with wb_writeback() as a natural choice, and then
> > > found it much easier to do the expired-only=>all-inodes switching in
> > > move_expired_inodes() since it needs to know the @b_dirty and @tmp
> > > lists' emptiness to trigger the switch. It's not sane for
> > > wb_writeback() to look into such details. And once you do the switch
> > > part in move_expired_inodes(), the whole policy naturally follows.
> >
> > Well, not really. You didn't need to modify move_expired_inodes() at
> > all to implement these changes - all you needed to do was modify how
> > older_than_this is configured.
> >
> > writeback policy is defined by the struct writeback_control.
> > move_expired_inodes() is pure mechanism. What you've done is remove
> > policy from the struct wbc and moved it to move_expired_inodes(),
> > which now defines both policy and mechanism.
>
> > Furhter, this means that all the tracing that uses the struct wbc no
> > no longer shows the entire writeback policy that is being worked on,
> > so we lose visibility into policy decisions that writeback is
> > making.
>
> Good point! I'm convinced, visibility is a necessity for debugging the
> complex writeback behaviors.
>
> > This same change is as simple as updating wbc->older_than_this
> > appropriately after the wb_writeback() call for both background and
> > kupdate and leaving the lower layers untouched. It's just a policy
> > change. If you thinkthe mechanism is inefficient, copy
> > wbc->older_than_this to a local variable inside
> > move_expired_inodes()....
>
> Do you like something like this? (details will change a bit when
> rearranging the patchset)
Yeah, this is close to what I had in mind.
>
> --- linux-next.orig/fs/fs-writeback.c 2011-04-20 10:30:47.000000000 +0800
> +++ linux-next/fs/fs-writeback.c 2011-04-20 10:40:19.000000000 +0800
> @@ -660,11 +660,6 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> long write_chunk;
> struct inode *inode;
>
> - if (wbc.for_kupdate) {
> - wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
> - oldest_jif = jiffies -
> - msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
> - }
Right here I'd do:
if (work->for_kupdate || work->for_background)
wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
so that the setting of wbc.older_than_this in the loop can trigger
on whether it is null or not.
> if (!wbc.range_cyclic) {
> wbc.range_start = 0;
> wbc.range_end = LLONG_MAX;
> @@ -713,10 +708,17 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> if (work->for_background && !over_bground_thresh())
> break;
>
> + if (work->for_kupdate || work->for_background) {
> + oldest_jif = jiffies -
> + msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
> + wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
> + }
> +
if you change that to:
if (wbc.older_than_this) {
*wbc.older_than_this = jiffies -
msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
}
> wbc.more_io = 0;
> wbc.nr_to_write = write_chunk;
> wbc.pages_skipped = 0;
>
> +retry_all:
You can get rid of this retry_all label and have the changeover in
behaviour re-initialise nr_to_write, etc.
> trace_wbc_writeback_start(&wbc, wb->bdi);
> if (work->sb)
> __writeback_inodes_sb(work->sb, wb, &wbc);
> @@ -733,6 +735,17 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> if (wbc.nr_to_write <= 0)
> continue;
> /*
> + * No expired inode? Try all fresh ones
> + */
> + if ((work->for_kupdate || work->for_background) &&
> + wbc.older_than_this &&
> + wbc.nr_to_write == write_chunk &&
> + list_empty(&wb->b_io) &&
> + list_empty(&wb->b_more_io)) {
> + wbc.older_than_this = NULL;
> + goto retry_all;
> + }
And here only do this for work->for_background as kupdate writeback
stops when we run out of expired inodes (i.e. it doesn't writeback
non-expired inodes).
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mel Gorman <mel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
Itaru Kitayama <kitayama@cl.bb4u.ne.jp>,
Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/6] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 10:45:47 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110421004547.GD1814@dastard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110420025321.GA14398@localhost>
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:53:21AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 09:21:20AM +0800, Dave Chinner wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 08:56:16PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > I actually started with wb_writeback() as a natural choice, and then
> > > found it much easier to do the expired-only=>all-inodes switching in
> > > move_expired_inodes() since it needs to know the @b_dirty and @tmp
> > > lists' emptiness to trigger the switch. It's not sane for
> > > wb_writeback() to look into such details. And once you do the switch
> > > part in move_expired_inodes(), the whole policy naturally follows.
> >
> > Well, not really. You didn't need to modify move_expired_inodes() at
> > all to implement these changes - all you needed to do was modify how
> > older_than_this is configured.
> >
> > writeback policy is defined by the struct writeback_control.
> > move_expired_inodes() is pure mechanism. What you've done is remove
> > policy from the struct wbc and moved it to move_expired_inodes(),
> > which now defines both policy and mechanism.
>
> > Furhter, this means that all the tracing that uses the struct wbc no
> > no longer shows the entire writeback policy that is being worked on,
> > so we lose visibility into policy decisions that writeback is
> > making.
>
> Good point! I'm convinced, visibility is a necessity for debugging the
> complex writeback behaviors.
>
> > This same change is as simple as updating wbc->older_than_this
> > appropriately after the wb_writeback() call for both background and
> > kupdate and leaving the lower layers untouched. It's just a policy
> > change. If you thinkthe mechanism is inefficient, copy
> > wbc->older_than_this to a local variable inside
> > move_expired_inodes()....
>
> Do you like something like this? (details will change a bit when
> rearranging the patchset)
Yeah, this is close to what I had in mind.
>
> --- linux-next.orig/fs/fs-writeback.c 2011-04-20 10:30:47.000000000 +0800
> +++ linux-next/fs/fs-writeback.c 2011-04-20 10:40:19.000000000 +0800
> @@ -660,11 +660,6 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> long write_chunk;
> struct inode *inode;
>
> - if (wbc.for_kupdate) {
> - wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
> - oldest_jif = jiffies -
> - msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
> - }
Right here I'd do:
if (work->for_kupdate || work->for_background)
wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
so that the setting of wbc.older_than_this in the loop can trigger
on whether it is null or not.
> if (!wbc.range_cyclic) {
> wbc.range_start = 0;
> wbc.range_end = LLONG_MAX;
> @@ -713,10 +708,17 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> if (work->for_background && !over_bground_thresh())
> break;
>
> + if (work->for_kupdate || work->for_background) {
> + oldest_jif = jiffies -
> + msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
> + wbc.older_than_this = &oldest_jif;
> + }
> +
if you change that to:
if (wbc.older_than_this) {
*wbc.older_than_this = jiffies -
msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);
}
> wbc.more_io = 0;
> wbc.nr_to_write = write_chunk;
> wbc.pages_skipped = 0;
>
> +retry_all:
You can get rid of this retry_all label and have the changeover in
behaviour re-initialise nr_to_write, etc.
> trace_wbc_writeback_start(&wbc, wb->bdi);
> if (work->sb)
> __writeback_inodes_sb(work->sb, wb, &wbc);
> @@ -733,6 +735,17 @@ static long wb_writeback(struct bdi_writ
> if (wbc.nr_to_write <= 0)
> continue;
> /*
> + * No expired inode? Try all fresh ones
> + */
> + if ((work->for_kupdate || work->for_background) &&
> + wbc.older_than_this &&
> + wbc.nr_to_write == write_chunk &&
> + list_empty(&wb->b_io) &&
> + list_empty(&wb->b_more_io)) {
> + wbc.older_than_this = NULL;
> + goto retry_all;
> + }
And here only do this for work->for_background as kupdate writeback
stops when we run out of expired inodes (i.e. it doesn't writeback
non-expired inodes).
Cheers,
Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
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2011-04-19 3:00 [PATCH 0/6] writeback: moving expire targets for background/kupdate works Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 1/6] writeback: pass writeback_control down to move_expired_inodes() Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 2/6] writeback: the kupdate expire timestamp should be a moving target Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 7:02 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 7:02 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 7:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 7:20 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 9:31 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 9:31 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 3/6] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 7:35 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 7:35 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 9:57 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 9:57 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 12:56 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 13:46 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 13:46 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 1:21 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20 1:21 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20 2:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 2:53 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 0:45 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2011-04-21 0:45 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 2:06 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 2:06 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 3:01 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 3:01 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 3:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 3:59 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:10 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 4:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 6:36 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 6:36 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 16:04 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 16:04 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 2:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 2:24 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 21:12 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 21:12 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-26 5:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-26 5:37 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-26 14:30 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-26 14:30 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20 7:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 7:38 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 1:01 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 1:01 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 1:47 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 1:47 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 4/6] writeback: introduce writeback_control.inodes_cleaned Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 9:47 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 9:47 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 5/6] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 10:20 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 11:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 11:16 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 21:10 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 21:10 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20 7:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 7:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 15:22 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20 15:22 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 3:33 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 4:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 6:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 6:05 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 16:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 16:41 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 2:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 2:32 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 21:23 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 21:23 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 7:09 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 7:09 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 7:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 7:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 7:52 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 7:52 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 8:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 8:00 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19 3:00 ` [PATCH 6/6] NFS: return -EAGAIN when skipped commit in nfs_commit_unstable_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-04-19 3:29 ` Trond Myklebust
2011-04-19 3:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 3:55 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 4:40 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19 6:38 ` [PATCH 0/6] writeback: moving expire targets for background/kupdate works Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 6:38 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19 8:02 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 8:02 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 4:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 4:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 5:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 5:50 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 5:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 6:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 6:07 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 7:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 7:17 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 10:15 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 10:15 ` Wu Fengguang
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