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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Itaru Kitayama <kitayama@cl.bb4u.ne.jp>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:23:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110422212300.GC2977@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110422023226.GB6199@localhost>

On Fri 22-04-11 10:32:26, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:41:54AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Thu 21-04-11 14:05:56, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:39:40PM +0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:33:25AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > I collected the writeback_single_inode() traces (patch attached for
> > > > > your reference) each for several test runs, and find much more
> > > > > I_DIRTY_PAGES after patchset. Dave, do you know why there are so many
> > > > > I_DIRTY_PAGES (or radix tag) remained after the XFS ->writepages() call,
> > > > > even for small files?
> > > > 
> > > > What is your defintion of a small file?  As soon as it has multiple
> > > > extents or holes there's absolutely no way to clean it with a single
> > > > writepage call.
> > > 
> > > It's writing a kernel source tree to XFS. You can find in the below
> > > trace that it often leaves more dirty pages behind (indicated by the
> > > I_DIRTY_PAGES flag) after writing as less as 1 page (indicated by the
> > > wrote=1 field).
> >   As Dave said, it's probably just a race since XFS redirties the inode on
> > IO completion. So I think the inodes are just small so they have only a few
> > dirty pages so you don't have much to write and they are written and
> > redirtied before you check the I_DIRTY flags. You could use radix tree
> > dirty tag to verify whether there are really dirty pages or not...
> 
> Yeah, Dave and Christoph root caused it in the other email -- XFS sets
> I_DIRTY which accidentally sets I_DIRTY_PAGES. We can safely bet there
> are no real dirty pages -- otherwise it would have turned up as
> performance regressions.
  Yes, but then the question what we actually do better is still open,
right? :) I'm really curious what it could be because especially in your
copy-kernel case I should not make much different - maybe except if we
occasionally managed to block on PageLock behind the writing thread and now
we don't because we queue the inode later but I find that highly unlikely.

> >   BTW a quick check of kernel tree shows the following distribution of
> > sizes (in KB):
> >   Count KB  Cumulative Percent
> >     257 0   0.9%
> >   13309 4   45%
> >    5553 8   63%
> >    2997 12  73%
> >    1879 16  80%
> >    1275 20  83%
> >     987 24  87%
> >     685 28  89%
> >     540 32  91%
> >     387 36  ...
> >     309 40
> >     264 44
> >     249 48
> >     170 52
> >     143 56
> >     144 60
> >     132 64
> >     100 68
> >     ...
> > Total 30155
> > 
> > And the distribution of your 'wrote=xxx' roughly corresponds to this...
> 
> Nice numbers! How do you manage to account them? :)
  Easy shell command (and I handcomputed the percentages because I was lazy
to write a script for that):
find . -type f -name "*.[ch]" -exec du {} \; | cut -d '	' -f 1 |
sort -n | uniq -c

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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From: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
	Trond Myklebust <Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com>,
	Itaru Kitayama <kitayama@cl.bb4u.ne.jp>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 23:23:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110422212300.GC2977@quack.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110422023226.GB6199@localhost>

On Fri 22-04-11 10:32:26, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 12:41:54AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > On Thu 21-04-11 14:05:56, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:39:40PM +0800, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 11:33:25AM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > > > > I collected the writeback_single_inode() traces (patch attached for
> > > > > your reference) each for several test runs, and find much more
> > > > > I_DIRTY_PAGES after patchset. Dave, do you know why there are so many
> > > > > I_DIRTY_PAGES (or radix tag) remained after the XFS ->writepages() call,
> > > > > even for small files?
> > > > 
> > > > What is your defintion of a small file?  As soon as it has multiple
> > > > extents or holes there's absolutely no way to clean it with a single
> > > > writepage call.
> > > 
> > > It's writing a kernel source tree to XFS. You can find in the below
> > > trace that it often leaves more dirty pages behind (indicated by the
> > > I_DIRTY_PAGES flag) after writing as less as 1 page (indicated by the
> > > wrote=1 field).
> >   As Dave said, it's probably just a race since XFS redirties the inode on
> > IO completion. So I think the inodes are just small so they have only a few
> > dirty pages so you don't have much to write and they are written and
> > redirtied before you check the I_DIRTY flags. You could use radix tree
> > dirty tag to verify whether there are really dirty pages or not...
> 
> Yeah, Dave and Christoph root caused it in the other email -- XFS sets
> I_DIRTY which accidentally sets I_DIRTY_PAGES. We can safely bet there
> are no real dirty pages -- otherwise it would have turned up as
> performance regressions.
  Yes, but then the question what we actually do better is still open,
right? :) I'm really curious what it could be because especially in your
copy-kernel case I should not make much different - maybe except if we
occasionally managed to block on PageLock behind the writing thread and now
we don't because we queue the inode later but I find that highly unlikely.

> >   BTW a quick check of kernel tree shows the following distribution of
> > sizes (in KB):
> >   Count KB  Cumulative Percent
> >     257 0   0.9%
> >   13309 4   45%
> >    5553 8   63%
> >    2997 12  73%
> >    1879 16  80%
> >    1275 20  83%
> >     987 24  87%
> >     685 28  89%
> >     540 32  91%
> >     387 36  ...
> >     309 40
> >     264 44
> >     249 48
> >     170 52
> >     143 56
> >     144 60
> >     132 64
> >     100 68
> >     ...
> > Total 30155
> > 
> > And the distribution of your 'wrote=xxx' roughly corresponds to this...
> 
> Nice numbers! How do you manage to account them? :)
  Easy shell command (and I handcomputed the percentages because I was lazy
to write a script for that):
find . -type f -name "*.[ch]" -exec du {} \; | cut -d '	' -f 1 |
sort -n | uniq -c

								Honza
-- 
Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
SUSE Labs, CR

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  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-22 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-04-19  3:00 [PATCH 0/6] writeback: moving expire targets for background/kupdate works Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 1/6] writeback: pass writeback_control down to move_expired_inodes() Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 2/6] writeback: the kupdate expire timestamp should be a moving target Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  7:02   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  7:02     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  7:20     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  7:20       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  9:31       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:31         ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 3/6] writeback: sync expired inodes first in background writeback Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  7:35   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  7:35     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  9:57     ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:57       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 12:56       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 13:46         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 13:46           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20  1:21         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20  1:21           ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-20  2:53           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20  2:53             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  0:45             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  0:45               ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  2:06               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  2:06                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  3:01                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  3:01                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  3:59                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  3:59                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:10                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:10                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:36                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  4:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  6:36                       ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  6:36                         ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21 16:04                       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 16:04                         ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22  2:24                         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22  2:24                           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 21:12                           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22 21:12                             ` Jan Kara
2011-04-26  5:37                             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-26  5:37                               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-26 14:30                               ` Jan Kara
2011-04-26 14:30                                 ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20  7:38           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20  7:38             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  1:01             ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  1:01               ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  1:47               ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  1:47                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 4/6] writeback: introduce writeback_control.inodes_cleaned Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  9:47   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  9:47     ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 5/6] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 10:20   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 10:20     ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 11:16     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 11:16       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19 21:10       ` Jan Kara
2011-04-19 21:10         ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20  7:50         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20  7:50           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-20 15:22           ` Jan Kara
2011-04-20 15:22             ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21  3:33             ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:39               ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  4:39                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  6:05                 ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  6:05                   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 16:41                   ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21 16:41                     ` Jan Kara
2011-04-22  2:32                     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22  2:32                       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-22 21:23                       ` Jan Kara [this message]
2011-04-22 21:23                         ` Jan Kara
2011-04-21  7:09               ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  7:09                 ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  7:14                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  7:14                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  7:52                   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  7:52                     ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-21  8:00                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  8:00                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19  3:00 ` [PATCH 6/6] NFS: return -EAGAIN when skipped commit in nfs_commit_unstable_pages() Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:00   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:29   ` Trond Myklebust
2011-04-19  3:29     ` Trond Myklebust
2011-04-19  3:55     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  3:55       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  4:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-19  6:38 ` [PATCH 0/6] writeback: moving expire targets for background/kupdate works Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  6:38   ` Dave Chinner
2011-04-19  8:02   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-19  8:02     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  4:34 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  4:34   ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  5:50   ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  5:50     ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  5:56     ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  5:56       ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  6:07       ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  6:07         ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21  7:17         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21  7:17           ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-04-21 10:15           ` Wu Fengguang
2011-04-21 10:15             ` Wu Fengguang
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-07-22  5:09 [PATCH 0/6] [RFC] writeback: try to write older pages first Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  5:09 ` [PATCH 5/6] writeback: try more writeback as long as something was written Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  5:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-22  5:09   ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-23 17:39   ` Jan Kara
2010-07-23 17:39     ` Jan Kara
2010-07-26 12:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 12:39       ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 11:01   ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:01     ` Mel Gorman
2010-07-26 11:39     ` Wu Fengguang
2010-07-26 11:39       ` Wu Fengguang

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